Mixing of Bubbles: Who is Correct? Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of bubbles when a smaller bubble comes into contact with a larger bubble, specifically focusing on their size changes. Participants explore various theoretical explanations and observations related to the dynamics of bubble interactions, including pressure differences and gas laws.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the smaller bubble shrinks and the larger bubble grows due to the pressure difference, referencing Laplace pressure as a driving force for material transfer.
  • Others argue that as gas moves from the smaller bubble to the larger one, the pressure inside the smaller bubble decreases, which could lead to an increase in its volume according to the ideal gas law.
  • A participant recalls a previous experience in a science exam where they found the outcome counter-intuitive, suggesting that the smaller bubble shrinks while the larger one grows.
  • There is a discussion about the ideal gas law and its assumptions, with some participants questioning the applicability of PV = constant in this scenario.
  • One participant mentions the need for a specific equation related to bubble dynamics, indicating that they are still searching for it to clarify their understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the outcomes of bubble interactions, with no consensus reached on which explanation is correct. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Some limitations include the dependence on assumptions related to gas behavior and the specific conditions of bubble interactions, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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When a small bubble comes in contact with a larger bubble, what happens to their size?
(a) smaller bubble becomes smaller & eventually vanishes while larger one becomes larger
(b) both bubbles increase in size
(c) both bubbles decrease in size
(d) larger bubble becomes smaller while smaller one becomes larger

In our textbook the answer is mentioned as (a) while our teacher told us it is (b).

Who is correct and what is its explanation??
 
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That is a good question. I wonder if it depends on contact dynamics and soap film composition. I don't know.
I've seen soap bubbles collide together and stick to each other without any apparent change in their sizes(then again it was a brief observation versus actual experiment)
And I've seen one or both soap bubbles "pop" upon collision with each other, but I never paid close enough attention to the end results.
 
(a) is correct. The pressure inside a smaller bubble is larger because of the energy penalty of having more surface area (relative to volume) than a larger bubble (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace_pressure" ). When the two bubbles meet, there is thus a driving force for material to move from the smaller bubble to the larger bubble.

The same mechanism drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostwald_ripening" of precipitates in solids.
 
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but our teacher explains that as the molecules move from smaller bubble to larger bubble due to pressure difference, the pressure inside the smaller bubble decreases.
Hence as PV = constant, its volume will increase.

I am really confused! Please help
 
I did this question in a science olympiad type exam once.
But it had an equation to look at, which I am so far unable to dig back up (I'll have another look for the paper itself tomorrow).
Anyway, I remember the answer I worked out to be counter-intuitive, i.e. that the small bubble shrinks and the large one grows. Until I find that equation I can't do any better than Mapes on this one.

Sorry I couldn't help more.
 
Why is PV=C
 
iitjee10 said:
Hence as PV = constant, its volume will increase.

PV = constant assumes a constant amount of gas, among other things (PV = nRT is the ideal gas law, where n is the number of moles of gas). This obviously doesn't hold if the gas is leaving the bubble. It sounds like you have a pretty poor teacher.

wimma said:
I did this question in a science olympiad type exam once.
But it had an equation to look at, which I am so far unable to dig back up (I'll have another look for the paper itself tomorrow).
Anyway, I remember the answer I worked out to be counter-intuitive, i.e. that the small bubble shrinks and the large one grows. Until I find that equation I can't do any better than Mapes on this one.

The final equation is in the link I gave. \Delta P=\gamma \kappa, where P is the pressure, \gamma is the surface energy, and \kappa=\frac{1}{R_1}+\frac{1}{R_2} is the curvature, which simplifies to \frac{2}{R} for a sphere.
 
Mapes said:
PV = constant assumes a constant amount of gas, among other things (PV = nRT is the ideal gas law, where n is the number of moles of gas). This obviously doesn't hold if the gas is leaving the bubble. It sounds like you have a pretty poor teacher.



The final equation is in the link I gave. \Delta P=\gamma \kappa, where P is the pressure, \gamma is the surface energy, and \kappa=\frac{1}{R_1}+\frac{1}{R_2} is the curvature, which simplifies to \frac{2}{R} for a sphere.

Yep that's the equation.
 

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