Mobius: Representations of SU(2,1)=U(1,1)

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The discussion focuses on the representations of the groups SU(2,1) and U(1,1), particularly regarding their algebraic structures and dimensionality. Participants explore the implications of non-compactness on the nature of these representations, as well as the relationships between various related groups and algebras.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the correctness of the commutation relations for the generators T_1, T_2, and T_3, as stated in the literature.
  • Another participant asserts that SU(2,1) cannot be U(1,1) and discusses the dimensionality of the algebras involved, suggesting that the listed algebra may correspond to su(1,1) or sl(2,R).
  • It is noted that non-compact groups can have unitary representations that are infinite-dimensional, while finite-dimensional representations may not be unitary.
  • One participant clarifies the distinction between the groups and algebras, specifically mentioning SL(2,C) and SL(2,R), and how they relate to the generators discussed.
  • There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding notation and terminology, particularly in the use of capital and lowercase letters to denote groups and algebras.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationships between the groups and algebras, with some asserting specific identities while others question these assertions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of the representations and the implications of non-compactness.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the verification of the algebra's consistency with definitions and the hermitian nature of the representations. The implications of dimensionality and the relationships between the groups and algebras are also not fully resolved.

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I'm studying the representations of SU(2,1) [or U(1,1)], and since they are non-compact, their representations are necessarily infinite dimensional.

I have a couple questions.

In the literature, they say the algebra satisfied by the three generators, [itex]T_1, T_2, T_3[/itex] is

[tex][T_1,\,T_2]=-i T_3[/tex]
[tex][T_2,\,T_3]=i T_1[/tex]
[tex][T_3,\,T_1]=i T_2[/tex]​

Is this correct?

And, secondly, given that the group is non-compact, I should expect the generators to be represented by infinite-dimensional matrices only. But, in the literature, I found the following:

[tex]T_1 = \frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}0&1\\-1&0\end{pmatrix}\qquad T_2=\frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}0&-i\\-i&0\end{pmatrix}\qquad<br /> T_3=\frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}1&0\\0&-1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]​

and these appear to satisfy the algebra above. So why aren't they infinite-dimensional? What's the deal?
 
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So, su(2,1) can't be u(1,1). I would expect to be (2+1)^2 - 1 = 8-dimensional, and u(1,1) to be (1+1)^2 = 4-dimensional. The algebra you listed is 3d. It looks like it may very well be su(1,1) = so(2,1) = sl(2,R), I think. I expect one would get to u(1,1) by adding a central charge (a generator that commutes with everything), at which point the commutation relations wouldn't change. I did not verify that that algebra is consistent with the definition of su(1,1), but it certainly appears to be at first glance.

To answer your question, non-compact groups have UNITARY representations that are necessarily infinite-dimensional. They can have finite-dimensional representations that are not unitary. What you listed was an example of such a representation. The way to see whether a representation of a group is unitary by means of looking at the representation of the algebra alone is to ask whether or not the representation is hermitian. In this case, T3 is indeed hermitian, but T1 and T2 are not. The hermitian representations of this would be infinite-dimensional; for example, the action of this algebra on functions/fields on 2+1d spacetime. (This algebra would act as the lorentz algebra on those functions.)
 
Awesome! Thank you for your very clear answer.

*And I totally botched the names, I really mean to say SO(2,1) [SU(1,1)]. My brain was apparently dead when I was typing this out.

But also, you mentioned sl(2,R). What does that mean? and how is it different from SU(1,1) and SO(2,1)?
 
Just so I'm clear, I'm using capital letters (e.g SU(2)) to mean the group generated by the algebra denoted by the same lowercase letters (su(2)). I don't know if that's common practice or not.

SL(2,C) is the group of 2x2 complex matrices of determinant one. It can be generated by three matrices (including the three you listed above) over the field C. What I mean by that is if you took e^ix_a T_a for x_a in C and T_a one of your three matrices, you'd get an element of the group. To form the group SL(2,R), one would demand x_a be in R instead of C. Strictly speaking, this doesn't change the commutation relations of sl(2), the algebra, so perhaps it was a poor choice of notation on my part to say sl(2,R). (It DOES change at the group level, though.) They are all isomorphic structures... what I mean by that is the algebras are identical. You may want to read literature regarding how SO(3) and SU(2) (the groups) are not the same (though the latter is the double cover of the former), but so(3) and su(2) (the algebras) are identical. This is the sense in which I meant the equality above. Hopefully this helps!
 
Yes yes, That was very clear. Thank you.
 

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