Mode Field Diameter and Penetration depth of the Evanescent field

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of mode field diameter (MFD) and the penetration depth of the evanescent field in optical fibers. Participants explore the relationship between these two concepts, particularly in the context of light propagation and boundary conditions at the core-cladding interface.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the method of calculating penetration depth 'd' from the mode field diameter is appropriate, noting discrepancies in their results.
  • Another participant suggests that the portion of the MFD in the cladding may not correspond directly to the penetration depth due to boundary conditions at the core-cladding interface.
  • A third participant indicates a potential disconnect between the definition of 'd' in the formula and the participant's understanding of the mode field in the cladding.
  • One participant elaborates that the mode field diameter is influenced by changes in refractive index and questions the fundamental reason for the existence of MFD within the cladding when total internal reflection (TIR) conditions are met.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between mode field diameter and penetration depth, with no consensus reached on the appropriateness of the calculations or definitions being used.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in their definitions and calculations, particularly regarding the boundary conditions and the nature of the electric field distribution in the cladding.

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Source: scirp.org As it is shown in the first pic above that the mode field diameter is defined as the mode field decreases to 1/e (in intensity 1/e^2), if I take the mode field and subtract the core's diameter then I divide it by 2, should I get the penetration depth 'd' of evanescent field as given in the equation? (known that the penetration depth is the distance of the mode portion from core until it get zero in the cladding).Why I ask this question? because when I calculate the portion of mode field in the cladding (as defined) and then I calculate the penetration depth (according to the equation) I got answer that the portion of the MFD is longer than 'd'.. doesn't matter if I plug into the equation angle values close to the critical angle or far from it and the same about the refractive indices... Why this difference? is it right to use the equation here in this case?
 

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I would guess that the portion of the MFD in the cladding, as you defined it, isn't exactly the penetration depth. There is a boundary condition at the core-cladding interface, depending on the ratio of indecies of refraction. If you really wanted to know, you could take a gaussian electric field distribution with the specified MFD and evaluate the boundary condition at the core-cladding interface to solve for the electric field in the cladding. That will give you the penetration depth.
 
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Sciencestd said:
Source: fobasics.blogspot.com
Source: scirp.org when I calculate the portion of mode field in the cladding (as defined)
"As defined"? Obviously there is a disconnect between "d" in the formula and that "definition". I haven't looked at your sources; perhaps the answer in contained in them. It's probably a small difference anyway.
 
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Actually what I found out that they are not exactly the same.. because we get "d" when the light field go through a changing in the refractive index, for example between two surfaces: a light field hit surface in angle that satisfy the condition of TIR... .But the question now is why fundamentally we have Mode field diameter... I mean if we couple light into a fiber so the TIR condition is satisfied.. then what is the cause of the Mode field diameter inside the cladding.. why we should see Gaussian exceeded the core diameter...?!
 

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