Modified Coulomb model for hydrogen, minimising error

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The discussion revolves around finding the largest value of b in a modified Coulomb model for hydrogen, ensuring that the ground-state energy aligns with the predictions of the Coulomb model to a precision of one part in a thousand.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to express the difference between the ground-state energy values as a fraction of the expected value, specifically focusing on the precision requirement of one part in a thousand. There are attempts to clarify how to apply this precision to the calculation of b.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the relationship between the modified energy formula and the Coulomb model, with some providing insights into how to quantify the acceptable difference in energy values. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the conversation is progressing towards a clearer understanding of the requirements.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the precision requirement and how it relates to the values derived from both the modified model and the Coulomb model. The discussion includes references to uncertainties and their calculations, which may affect the interpretation of results.

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Homework Statement


The ground energy can be approximated as

[itex]E_{1}^{(1)}\approx-\frac{4b^2}{a_0^2}E_R[/itex]

Find the largest value of b that would be consistent with the ground-state energy of a hydrogen atom that agrees with the predictions of the Coulomb model to one part in a thousand

Homework Equations


[itex]E_R=13.6[/itex]eV
[itex]a_0[/itex] is the Bohr radius

The Attempt at a Solution


I can transpose to make b the subject but not sure about the one part in a thousand.
 
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It refers to the difference between the two values as a fraction of the value. The values being the ground state energy of the hydrogen atom as per the two formulas. The difference should then be no more than 1000th or 0.001 of the expected value.

For example for a value of 10.0 cm +/- 0.5 cm the uncertainty 1 in 20 of the value.
 
Hi
So [itex]13.6 \pm0.0136[/itex] [itex]\dfrac{0.0136}{13.6}[/itex] would be one part in a thousand.

But how do I use that to find the maximum value of b so that [itex]E_1[/itex] agrees with [itex]E_R[/itex] to one part in a thousand?
 
You have to find a value for b so that the ground-state energy of the atom according to the approximate formula, and the value from the Coulomb model do not differ by more than 1/1000. That is the difference between the two values, Δ, has to be such that

Δ/13.6 ≤ 0.001
 
Of course, thanks.
 

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