Modular forms, Hecke Operator, translation property

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The discussion revolves around the properties of modular forms, specifically focusing on the translation property of the Hecke operator. The original poster is attempting to demonstrate the relationship between the Hecke operator applied to a modular form and its behavior under translation.

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  • Participants are examining the implications of the periodicity of modular forms, particularly questioning the validity of certain equalities involving shifts in the argument of the function. There is a focus on understanding why specific transformations do or do not hold true in the context of modular forms.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the periodicity of the function. Some have provided clarifications about the nature of the function's periodicity, while others express uncertainty about specific transformations and their validity.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the properties of modular forms, particularly their periodicity and how it relates to the Hecke operator. Participants are also navigating the complexities of the definitions and properties involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement



I am trying to follow the attached solution to show that ##T_{p}f(\tau+1)=T_pf(\tau)##

Where ##T_p f(\tau) p^{k-1} f(p\tau) + \frac{1}{p} \sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0}f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})##

Where ##M_k(\Gamma) ## denotes the space of modular forms of weight ##k##
(So we know that ## f(\tau+1)=f(\tau)## )

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QUESTION

1) Using ## f(\tau+1)=f(\tau)##, similarly to what has been done for the first term in going from the second line to the first line , see solution below, I don't understand why we can't don't have :

## \frac{1}{p}\sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0} f(\frac{\tau+j+1}{p}) =\frac{1}{p}\sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0}

f(\frac{\tau+j}{p}) ## via ## \tau'=\frac{\tau+j}{p} ## so then we have:

## \frac{1}{p}\sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0} f(\frac{\tau'+1}{p}) =\frac{1}{p}\sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0} f(\frac{\tau'}{p}) ##Solution attached:

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binbagsss said:

QUESTION

1) Using ## f(\tau+1)=f(\tau)##, similarly to what has been done for the first term in going from the second line to the first line , see solution below, I don't understand why we can't don't have :

## \frac{1}{p}\sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0} f(\frac{\tau+j+1}{p}) =\frac{1}{p}\sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0}

f(\frac{\tau+j}{p}) ## via ## \tau'=\frac{\tau+j}{p} ## so then we have:

## \frac{1}{p}\sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0} f(\frac{\tau'+1}{p}) =\frac{1}{p}\sum\limits^{p-1}_{j=0} f(\frac{\tau'}{p}) ##

I don't know a lot about modular forms, but I do follow their proof. As for your question, I could see why ##f(\frac{\tau+j}{p}+1)=f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})## but I don't see why you think ##f(\frac{\tau+j+1}{p})=f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})##.
 
Dick said:
I don't know a lot about modular forms, but I do follow their proof. As for your question, I could see why ##f(\frac{\tau+j}{p}+1)=f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})## but I don't see why you think ##f(\frac{\tau+j+1}{p})=f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})##.

Thank you for your reply.
I see ##f(\frac{\tau+j}{p}+1)=f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})##

But I thought ##f(\frac{\tau+j+1}{p})=f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})## is true too for the same reason that ##f(p(t+1))=f(p(t))##- factoring out the ##p##.. so i thought it would also be true that ## f(\frac{1}{p}(t+1))=f(\frac{1}{p}t) ## and then using this but were we shift ##t ## by ##j##?
 
binbagsss said:
Thank you for your reply.
I see ##f(\frac{\tau+j}{p}+1)=f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})##

But I thought ##f(\frac{\tau+j+1}{p})=f(\frac{\tau+j}{p})## is true too for the same reason that ##f(p(t+1))=f(p(t))##- factoring out the ##p##.. so i thought it would also be true that ## f(\frac{1}{p}(t+1))=f(\frac{1}{p}t) ## and then using this but were we shift ##t ## by ##j##?

## f(p(t+1))=f(p(t))## isn't true because of any 'factoring out of ##p##'. It's true because ##f(p(t+1))=f(pt+p)## and p is an integer. If ##f(t+1)=f(t)## then also ##f(t+2)=f(t+1)=f(t)##. So ##f(t+n)=f(t)## for ##n## any integer. ##f## is periodic with period 1.
 

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