Modules over an Integral Domain

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The discussion revolves around a problem in abstract algebra concerning modules over an integral domain. The original poster presents a statement regarding a ring R with no zero divisors and a specific property related to the direct sum of modules K and L.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the hypothesis and its relation to the conclusion, questioning the conditions under which elements from K and L can be equal or related through scalar multiplication.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about specific cases and exploring the implications of the properties of the ring and the modules. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of elements in K and L, but no consensus has been reached on a complete solution.

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There is a focus on the definitions and properties of direct sums and ideals, with participants considering the implications of the ring being an integral domain and the conditions under which certain equalities hold.

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Homework Statement


Let R be a ring with no zero divisors such that for any [tex]r,s\in R[/tex], there exist [tex]a,b \in R[/tex] such that [tex]ar+bs=0[/tex]. Prove: [tex]R=K \oplus L[/tex] implies [tex]K=0[/tex] or [tex]L=0[/tex].


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Definition of direct sum of modules, integral domain...

The Attempt at a Solution


I didn't know where to start on this one. In particular, I don't see what the hypothesis has to do with anything and certainly I do not see how it's related to the conclusion. I think all I need is a nudge in the right direction.
 
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Assume that [tex]R=K\oplus L[/tex]. Take [tex]k\in K[/tex] and [tex]l\in L[/tex]. Is it ever possible that [tex]ak=bl[/tex] for some [tex]k,l\in R[/tex]??

If this doesn't help you, let's simplify the question: is it possible that k=l?
 
micromass said:
Assume that [tex]R=K\oplus L[/tex]. Take [tex]k\in K[/tex] and [tex]l\in L[/tex]. Is it ever possible that [tex]ak=bl[/tex] for some [tex]k,l\in R[/tex]??

If this doesn't help you, let's simplify the question: is it possible that k=l?

k=l only if k=l=0 since the sum is direct. Also, it is possible that ak=bl by hypothesis, but I don't see how this points toward a solution.

However, it seems clear that just before we say "thus, l=0" we would use the hypothesis that R is an integral domain and that bl=0.
 
Ok, you are correct. k=l only if k=0 and l=0.

Can you describe a similar restriction for ak=bl? I.e. what can you say about ak and bl if ak=bl?
 
micromass said:
Ok, you are correct. k=l only if k=0 and l=0.

Can you describe a similar restriction for ak=bl? I.e. what can you say about ak and bl if ak=bl?

Well the obvious implication is that one is the additive inverse of the other: [tex]ak-bl=0[/tex]. But this is just a trivial restatement of what you said so I must be missing something here.
 
Ok, let's simplify it a bit: can it be true that 2k=l?? (assume for a second that [tex]2\in R[/tex]). Under what conditions can this be true??
 
micromass said:
Ok, let's simplify it a bit: can it be true that 2k=l?? (assume for a second that [tex]2\in R[/tex]). Under what conditions can this be true??

Yes but this implies [tex]k,l \in K \cap L=\lbrace 0 \rbrace[/tex] does it not?
 
Yes, if 2k=l, then k=0 and l=0.

Now, the general case: what if ak=bl??
 
micromass said:
Yes, if 2k=l, then k=0 and l=0.

Now, the general case: what if ak=bl??

I still don't see it. The previous case (2k=l) was obvious because 2k stays in K since of course K is a ring and thus closed under addition (2k=k+k). But a and b are arbitrary elements of R so we don't know where the elements ak and bl end up and I don't think the problem is designed to be broken up into cases. Even so, considering the different subcases doesn't seem to help.
 
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Maybe you can prove that K and L are in fact ideals if [tex]R=K\oplus L[/tex]...
So if a is in R, then ak is in K...
 
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micromass said:
Maybe you can prove that K and L are in fact ideals if [tex]R=K\oplus L[/tex]...
So if a is in R, then ak is in K...

I dismissed this idea earlier because I thought it would be more difficult to prove that K and L are ideals than the original claim. But here's what I have :

Let [tex]K \ni k=(k,0)\in K \oplus L, R \ni r=(k_1,l_1) \in K\oplus L[/tex]. Then, [tex]rk = (k_1,l_1)(k,0)=(kk_1,0) = kk_1\in K[/tex]. Thus, K is an ideal.

Assuming this is valid, the problem is complete! Thanks for your help.
 

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