Moment of Inertia vs. Inertia Constant

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The discussion centers around the concepts of moment of inertia and inertia constant in the context of synchronous machines, particularly focusing on the definitions and units associated with these terms. Participants explore the relationships between the inertia constant, moment of inertia, and their respective units, as well as potential sources of confusion regarding terminology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the definition of the inertia constant (H) and its relationship to moment of inertia (J) for synchronous machines, raising a question about unit consistency.
  • Another participant suggests that radians are unitless, implying that this could clarify the unit discrepancy.
  • A different participant recommends using watts instead of megawatts to simplify the unit analysis, noting that the numerical factor of 1,000,000 is unitless.
  • One participant points out that there may be confusion due to multiple definitions of "inertia constant," referencing a different source that defines it in a way that may not align with the initial post.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the concept of radians being unitless and seeks further clarification.
  • A later reply explains that radians are considered unitless because they are derived from the ratio of arc length to radius.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and units of inertia constant and moment of inertia, indicating that there is no consensus on the terminology and its implications.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding the definitions of inertia constant, which may depend on the context or source referenced. The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings related to unit conversions and the nature of radians.

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The following equations are found in the following reference (Page 119):

http://www.eeh.ee.ethz.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/eeh/studies/courses/power_system_dynamics_and_control/Documents/DynamicsPartI_lecture_notes_2012.pdf

By definition, the inertia constant for a synchronous machine is defined as

[tex]H = (1/2 J \omega_0^2) / S[/tex]

where

[tex]a) H= \text{constant of inertia } (s)[/tex]
[tex]b) S = \text{rated power of synchronous machine } (MW)[/tex]
[tex]c) \omega_0 = \text{nominal angular frequency } (rad/s)[/tex]
[tex]d) J = \text{moment of inertia for rotor } (kg m^2)[/tex]

I.e.

[tex]J = 2HS/\omega_0^2[/tex]

can be used to find the moment of inertia. Based on the units of a), b) and c) the unit of J is

[tex]s MW/(rad^2/s^2)[/tex]

However, i cannot see that this is the same as kg/m^2, as the result is supposed to yield from d). Can anyone help me?
 
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Hint #1: Radians are unit less, so you can drop that term.
Hint #2: The watt (and hence megawatts) is a derived unit. What are its primitive units?
 
Hint #3: Instead of using MW (megawatts) you should just use W (watts). M is just a numerical factor of 1000000 and therefore is unitless. The Watt is the standard unit of power for the metric system.
 
There is no reference to this on page 119.

However, the quantity defined in your post have units of seconds (energy/power).
The confusion may be due to the fact that (at least) two different quantities may be called the same name: "inertia constant".

See for example here:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=Su3...onepage&q=inertia constant of machine&f=false

You are talking here about the second quantity, the H defined on page 540 of that book and not the first one (I*ω) which is also called inertia constant, on the same page.
 
I do not understand why Radians are unit less. Can anyone explain this? Thanks for the answers.
 
Because you divide [Length] by [Length]

θ = s /r

s is arc length (of a circle)
r is radius

EDIT:

This page has a nice graphical (animated) explanation about the radian:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Радиан
 
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