Momentum relation for control volume

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to momentum in a control volume, specifically examining the flow dynamics around a wedge. Participants are analyzing the implications of dimensions in the problem setup and the relationships between mass flow rates and velocities.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the terminology used for dimensions in the problem, particularly the meaning of "depth" and the "into the paper" dimension. There is also discussion about whether two velocity components should be included in the momentum expression due to two streams leaving the control volume. Additionally, there are inquiries about the calculation of mass flow rate per unit depth and the effective width of the flow.

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The discussion is active with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem setup. Some have provided insights into the relationships between flow rates and dimensions, while others are seeking clarification on specific terms and calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring regarding the mass flow rates and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly concerning the dimensions and their physical meanings. There is an emphasis on ensuring mass flow rate conservation in the context of the wedge geometry.

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Homework Statement


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Resultant force on the control volume = Mass flow rate (Velocity outlets -Velocity inlets)

The Attempt at a Solution


I am just wondering if the 4cm is called depth, then what is the term for the "into the paper" dimension
Also, shouldn't there be two "v cos (theta/2)" terms in the x momentum expression since there are two streams leaving the control volume?thanks
 
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princejan7 said:
I am just wondering if the 4cm is called depth, then what is the term for the "into the paper" dimension
The question statement does not call the 4cm depth. But then, I'm not sure what the 4cm is supposed to represent. It seems to be the effective width of the flow, i.e. the region that's redirected by the wedge. The diagram make it look narrower than the wedge, which surprises me.
princejan7 said:
Also, shouldn't there be two "v cos (theta/2)" terms in the x momentum expression since there are two streams leaving the control volume?
That is taken into account by the 4cm width.
 
haruspex said:
The question statement does not call the 4cm depth. But then, I'm not sure what the 4cm is supposed to represent. It seems to be the effective width of the flow, i.e. the region that's redirected by the wedge. The diagram make it look narrower than the wedge, which surprises me.

could you also explain why mass flow rate per unit depth is calculated as density x velocity x 4cm
 
princejan7 said:
could you also explain why mass flow rate per unit depth is calculated as density x velocity x 4cm
In time t, what volume goes by (width w, depth d, velocity v)?
 
Let's suppose that the depth is d. Then the cross section of the channel perpendicular to the flow is 0.04d. The volumetric flow rate in the upstream region Q through this cross section is the fluid velocity times the area. So Q = 6(0.04)d. The mass flow rate is ρQ=6ρ(0.04)d.

In the region of the wedge, if the velocity is still 6 m/s, each channel surrounding the wedge has an opening (width) of 2 cm. This guarantees that the mass flow rate is conserved.

Chet
 
haruspex said:
In time t, what volume goes by (width w, depth d, velocity v)?
Chestermiller said:
Let's suppose that the depth is d. Then the cross section of the channel perpendicular to the flow is 0.04d. The volumetric flow rate in the upstream region Q through this cross section is the fluid velocity times the area. So Q = 6(0.04)d. The mass flow rate is ρQ=6ρ(0.04)d.

In the region of the wedge, if the velocity is still 6 m/s, each channel surrounding the wedge has an opening (width) of 2 cm. This guarantees that the mass flow rate is conserved.

Chet

thanks, I finally understand that

I still don't understand this part
That is taken into account by the 4cm width.

How does the 4cm take into account the other stream; the second "mass flow rate* V *cos(theta/2)" term
 
princejan7 said:
How does the 4cm take into account the other stream; the second "mass flow rate* V *cos(theta/2)" term
It's the combined (effective) width of the two streams, so it's included in the mass flow rate.
 
princejan7 said:
How does the 4cm take into account the other stream; the second "mass flow rate* V *cos(theta/2)" term
That was from a quote by Haruspex that I don't understand either. But I can address the question you were asking. The rate of change of x momentum for the stream(s) impinging on the wedge is equal to the rate of x- momentum flow out of the control volume minus the rate of x momentum flow into the control volume. The rate of x-momentum flow out of the control volume is the mass flow rate times the x-component of velocity. Half the mass flow goes below the wedge, and half the mass flow goes above the wedge. Each of these streams has the same x component of velocity. So, if you want to treat the two streams separately, you can do that, but you have to take into account that half the total flow is present above and below.

Chet
 
thanks everyone
 

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