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The problem involves an infinitely long line of charge with a specified linear charge density and a proton moving toward it. The participants are exploring the relationship between the proton's kinetic energy and the potential energy due to the electric field created by the line of charge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the initial kinetic energy and potential energy to find how close the proton gets to the line of charge. They express potential energy in terms of linear charge density and derive expressions for force and work done.
  • Some participants question the clarity of the original poster's question and seek to confirm the exact nature of the inquiry.
  • Others suggest that the original poster's calculations appear correct and emphasize the importance of energy conservation principles.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes confirmations of the original poster's approach and calculations. Some participants provide supportive feedback on the application of energy theorems, while others clarify the significance of certain aspects of the problem, such as the conservation of energy and the role of conservative forces.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the importance of the minus sign in the work-energy relationship, indicating a potential point of confusion. The original poster's question about how close the proton gets to the line of charge remains central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


An infinitely long line of charge has linear charge density ##λ=4.00_{10^{−12}} \frac{C}{m}##. A proton (mass ##m_p=1.67_{10^{-27}}kg##, charge ##e=1.602_{10^{-19}}C##) is ##r_a=0.18m## from the line and moving directly toward the line at ##v=1000\frac{m}{s}##.

Homework Equations


##dQ=λdl=λdy##
##\hat{r}=\frac{r}{\sqrt{r^2+y^2}}##
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The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, I start by equating initial potential and kinetic energy to final mechanical energy, which is just final potential energy, since the proton has stopped moving. So... ##K_0+U_0=U_f##. What I had trouble doing was expressing ##U## in terms of the linear charge density. This is what I did.

##F=\frac{1}{4\pi ε_0}(q)⋅∫\frac{dQ}{r^2+y^2}\hat {r}=\frac{1}{4\pi ε_0}(λq)⋅∫\frac{dy}{r^2+y^2}\hat {r}##
##F=\frac{1}{4\pi ε_0}(λq)⋅∫\frac{rdy}{\sqrt{(r^2+y^2)^3}}=\frac{λqr}{4\pi ε_0}∫\frac{dy}{\sqrt{(r^2+y^2)^3}}##

Let ##y=rtan\theta##. Then ##dy=rsec^2\theta d\theta## and ##\sqrt{(r^2+y^2)^3}=r^3sec^3\theta##. So...

##F=\frac{λqr}{4\pi ε_0}∫\frac{rsec^2\theta d\theta}{r^3sec^3\theta}=\frac{λq}{4\pi ε_0⋅r}∫cos\theta d\theta=\frac{λq}{4\pi ε_0⋅r}sin\theta##

Or, switching back to regular coordinates...

##F=\frac{λq}{4\pi ε_0⋅r}(\frac{y}{\sqrt{y^2+r^2}})## on ##-\infty < y < \infty##
So I get ##F=\frac{2λq}{4\pi ε_0⋅r}##

Then I want to integrate over ##dr##.

##∫F⋅dr=W=\frac{2λq}{4\pi ε_0}⋅\int_{r_a}^{r_b} \frac{dr}{r}=\frac{2λq}{4\pi ε_0}⋅ln|r|## on ##r_b<r<r_a##

Then I plug this into my formula for ##K+U_0=U_f##, given that ##W=-ΔU=-(U_f-U_0)##. I solve for ##r_b##, and that's my process. Can anyone tell me if I messed up anywhere?
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
An infinitely long line of charge has linear charge density λ=4.0010−12Cmλ=4.0010−12Cmλ=4.00_{10^{−12}} \frac{C}{m}. A proton (mass mp=1.6710−27kgmp=1.6710−27kgm_p=1.67_{10^{-27}}kg, charge e=1.60210−19Ce=1.60210−19Ce=1.602_{10^{-19}}C) is ra=0.18mra=0.18mr_a=0.18m from the line and moving directly toward the line at v=1000msv=1000msv=1000\frac{m}{s}.
So what is the question?
 
Oops. Forgot to copy-paste that. Basically, it's: "How close does the proton get to the line of charge before bouncing back?"
 
So I tested it out, and it turns out I'm right. I won't be needing any more input as a result.
 
I have reviewed your calculations and see the process all correct. It is a very clear problem of application of energy theorems.Remenber $$W_{conservative}=-\Delta U$$ The minus sign is very important. Maybe you've applied a recipe formula but you've done well.

On the other hand, because there are only conservative forces (electrostatical force is conservative), you can apply the principle of conservation of energy between the initial and final points (this is another point of view). $$K_{0}+U_{0}=K_{1}+U_{1}$$ where the final kinetic energy K1 is zero, since it stops.
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I remember you the two principal energetic theorems in mechanics because, they are very very importants. If you meditate and solve problems with them you will learn a lot. The minus sign is very important. $$W_{total}=\Delta K$$ $$W_{conservative}=-\Delta U$$
 

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