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The discussion revolves around the theoretical understanding of velocity and acceleration, particularly how these concepts are represented in equations. The original poster expresses difficulty in conceptualizing the relationships between acceleration, time, and velocity, and seeks a deeper understanding of the derivation of constant acceleration equations.

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  • Participants explore definitions of velocity and acceleration, questioning how these relate to their mathematical representations. The original poster seeks proofs or reasoning behind the equations a*t = v and d/t = v. Others provide examples to illustrate these concepts, suggesting that definitions may serve as a basis rather than formal proofs.

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The conversation includes various attempts to clarify the relationships between the concepts and their equations. Some participants offer examples and visualizations, such as velocity-time graphs, to aid understanding. There is an ongoing exploration of how to visualize constant acceleration equations, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the need for more background information than what is provided in textbooks, indicating a desire for deeper conceptual understanding. The original poster's focus on constant acceleration suggests a specific area of interest within the broader topic of motion.

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This question is from a theory stand point.
I understand the definitions of velocity and acceleration separately. For some reason, I can not conceptualize them in equation form. How do you really know a*t= velocity or d/t=v ? Is there a proof for this or something? I need to understand the reasoning better. The professor for my class is like it just is. Any suggestions on how to make understanding the equations and relationships in physics more concretely in my head? I need more background info then my book is giving to help me to better understand how to derive the constant acceleration equations.

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constant acceleration of motion

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HealthPhysics said:

Homework Statement


This question is from a theory stand point.
I understand the definitions of velocity and acceleration separately. For some reason, I can not conceptualize them in equation form. How do you really know a*t= velocity or d/t=v ? Is there a proof for this or something? I need to understand the reasoning better. The professor for my class is like it just is. Any suggestions on how to make understanding the equations and relationships in physics more concretely in my head? I need more background info then my book is giving to help me to better understand how to derive the constant acceleration equations.

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a*t= velocity or d/t=v

The Attempt at a Solution


read text/google search

If a crowd of 60 000 people entered a sports stadium in 40 minutes, then they entered at an average rate of 90 000 per hour.
Is that description OK
Rate of Entry = number of people / time

If a car covers 60 km in 40 minutes, then it was traveling at a rate of 90 km each hour. Rate of covering distance = distance covered / time.

We call THAT rate speed, symbol V, the distance covered is given symbol d and time is given symbol t; so v = d/t

So rather than a proof - it is a definition.

Try this: Prove that the four legged piece of furniture people sit on at a restaurant is a chair. Of course the long legged chair at the bar is actually a stool !

Also if a car increases its speed from 20 km/h to 80 km/h in 40 seconds, it was increasing its speed at the rate of 60 km/h per minute.
We call the rate of increase of speed acceleration (a) so a = Δv/t or Δv = a*t

Now if the initial speed was 0, then the change in speed (Δv) will equal the final speed v so that would look like a*t = v
 
PeterO said:
If a crowd of 60 000 people entered a sports stadium in 40 minutes, then they entered at an average rate of 90 000 per hour.
Is that description OK
Rate of Entry = number of people / time

If a car covers 60 km in 40 minutes, then it was traveling at a rate of 90 km each hour. Rate of covering distance = distance covered / time.

We call THAT rate speed, symbol V, the distance covered is given symbol d and time is given symbol t; so v = d/t

So rather than a proof - it is a definition.

Try this: Prove that the four legged piece of furniture people sit on at a restaurant is a chair. Of course the long legged chair at the bar is actually a stool !

Also if a car increases its speed from 20 km/h to 80 km/h in 40 seconds, it was increasing its speed at the rate of 60 km/h per minute.
We call the rate of increase of speed acceleration (a) so a = Δv/t or Δv = a*t

Now if the initial speed was 0, then the change in speed (Δv) will equal the final speed v so that would look like a*t = v


I understand this already. My question is more about constant acceleration of motion equations. Is there a good way to visualize this?
 
HealthPhysics said:
I understand this already. My question is more about constant acceleration of motion equations. Is there a good way to visualize this?

The equations of motion are mathematical summaries of a simple velocity-time graph.

If a body is accelerating, its velocity-time graph is a sloping, straight line. The gradient of the line is the rate of change of the quantity graphed, defined as acceleration "a".

If the initial velocity is called "u", then that us the intercept on the vertical axis.
After a period of time "t", the velocity will have increased to a final velocity "v".
Thus there is a co-ordinate on the line (t,v).

If you draw such a graph, you add a pair of reference lines: a horizontal line at the initial velocity, and also at the final velocity.
The gradient of the line [rise / run] tells us that the increase in velocity over this time interval is given by a*t.
Thus the final velocity is given by:

v = u + at

The displacement during this time is given by the area under the graph.
Those horizontal lines show that area in 3 ways.

#1 - a lower rectangle plus a triangle [length x width plus 1/2 x base x height]
The rectangle has length t, and width u --> area ut
The triangle has base t, and height a*t so are 0.5 * t * a*t = 0.5at2

using symbol s for displacement we have

s = ut + 0.5at2

#2 - a large rectangle, with a triangle removed from the top left.
The large rectangle has length, t, and width, v, so area vt

as above we get

s = vt - 0.5at2

#3 - before the horizontal lines were drawn, the graph represented a trapezium on its side - the parallel sides are the vertical lines along the vertical axis, and the ordinate t.

The area of a trapezium is given by area = height * (base + top)/2
using our symbols that means

s = t(v+u)/2

That gives us 4 equations of motion - all mathematical summaries of one simple graph.

We can do one more algebraic manipulation using the first and last of them.

s = t(v+u)/2 and v = u + at

The second can be transformed to show t = (v-u)/a

substituting for t in the first we get

s = (v-u)/a * (v+u)/2

multiply both sides by 2a to eliminate the "fractions"

2as = (v-u)(v+u)

The right hand side is the classic "difference of two squares" expression
so

2as = v2 - u2

re-arranging so that there are no minus signs we get the more familiar

v2 = u2 + 2as
 

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