Mossbauer Effect & Photon/Gravity: How it Verifies Energy MGH

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The discussion centers around the application of the Mossbauer effect to verify the gravitational frequency shift of photons, as described by the energy equation mgh. Participants explore the experimental setup and implications of this phenomenon, touching on concepts from general relativity and the nature of energy exchange in gravitational fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experimental setup where photons emitted downwards pass through an absorber tuned to their original frequency, suggesting that the gravitational field causes a frequency shift that can be measured through adjustments to the absorber's speed.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the concept of the absorber being "tuned via the Mossbauer effect," indicating a need for clarification on this technical aspect.
  • A different participant references the Pound and Rebka experiment, noting the importance of the receiver's speed in achieving peak absorption, which relates to the gravitational redshift of the photons.
  • One participant raises a point about general relativity, arguing that since no force acts on the photon, the energy measurement change may relate more to the measurement apparatus than to the photon itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the Mossbauer effect and its application in this context. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the gravitational frequency shift or the implications of general relativity on energy exchange.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for a deeper understanding of the Mossbauer effect and its role in the experiment, as well as the implications of general relativity on the energy states of photons. Unresolved assumptions about the nature of energy exchange in gravitational fields are also present.

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i read in my textbook that if a photon falls through gravity, the energy mgh manifests in an increase in frequency and that this result was verified using mossbauer effect.
my question is how can mossbauer effect be used to verify this?
 
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Consider a setup that consist of a source that emits photon vertically downwards and a photon counter that receives the photons. Just before the photons reach the counter, they go through an absorber tuned via the Mossbauer effect to the frequency of photons when they were emitted. Consequently, peak aborption by the absorber occurs for this frequency - for any other frequency, less absorption occurs. Now, at the bottom where the absorber is, the photons have a different frequency, so peak absorption does not occur unless the absorber is moved with a speed that introduces a Doppler (red) shift that exactly compensates for the frequency (blue) shift caused by the gravitational field.

The speed of the absorber is adjusted until the counter reads a minimum, i.e., the absorber has peak absorption. The speed is known, which allows the Doppler frequency shift to be calculated, which allows the frequency shift caused by gravity to calculated.

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George
 
i didnt quite understand the 'absorber tuned via mossbauer effect' idea.
 
sruthisupriya said:
i didnt quite understand the 'absorber tuned via mossbauer effect' idea.
Hi,

The whole effect is explained fairly nicely here:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/gratim.html

In the experiment designd by Pound and Rebka, the receiver was put in the elevator and was moved at a precalculated speed. As Greg Jones (see above) is telling you, unless the receiver moved at the precalculated speed the receiver (absorber) will "see" less than peak absorption.
 
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sruthisupriya said:
i read in my textbook that if a photon falls through gravity, the energy mgh manifests in an increase in frequency and that this result was verified using mossbauer effect.
my question is how can mossbauer effect be used to verify this?
Note that in GR there is no force acting on the photon and therefore there is no exchange of energy, potential or otherwise.

So the change of the measurement of the energy state of the photon in gravitational red shift may be as much to do with the change of state of the apparatus measuring it as a change in the photon.

Garth
 

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