Motion of a Door as I Walk by it Quickly (no contact)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of a bathroom door swinging inward when a person walks past it quickly without making contact. Participants explore various physical principles and hypotheses to explain this occurrence, including concepts from fluid dynamics and pressure changes, while also suggesting experimental approaches to investigate the phenomenon further.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the motion of the door may be related to the friction between their body and air particles, questioning why the door swings towards them instead of away.
  • Another participant proposes the Bernoulli Principle as a possible explanation, although they express uncertainty about their visualization of the scenario.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of a "piston effect," where the person walking acts like a piston in a closed cylinder, potentially increasing pressure and causing the door to swing inward.
  • Others argue that the person's aerodynamics create a wake that results in low pressure, pulling the door towards them after they pass.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of timing in the observation, suggesting that the position of the body relative to the door when it starts to move is crucial.
  • Several participants recommend conducting experiments, such as using hanging paper to visualize air movement, to gather evidence about the phenomenon.
  • There is a discussion about the effectiveness of the piston theory versus a "drafting" effect, with some suggesting that local effects may be more significant than previously considered.
  • Another participant notes that the results of experiments may be mixed and confusing, highlighting the complexity of the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that further experimentation is necessary to understand the phenomenon, but multiple competing views remain regarding the underlying mechanisms, such as the piston effect versus drafting. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different hypotheses.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for specific measurements and conditions, such as the dimensions of the hallway and the speed of movement, to better understand the effects being discussed. There are also references to the potential influence of other doors being open or closed on the observed behavior of the bathroom door.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying fluid dynamics, physics enthusiasts exploring real-world applications of theoretical concepts, and those interested in experimental methods in science.

  • #31
anorlunda said:
I just had another idea. @Richie Smash , maybe we can make a scientist out of you.

You could do the following experiment at home. Take some sheets of ordinary paper. Hang each sheet from a thread and tape it to the ceiling of the hall such that the paper is parallel to the walls. Then set your phone to record video, and walk through the hall. The video will show the papers moving as you pass. You will be able to see which direction they move and when. You might be able to use hanging threads with no paper, if the threads are visible on the video.

What science will you learn from that? Most important is the scientific method; first gather reliable evidence, then think about what the evidence means. That is so much better than a verbal description of the door moving that is so hard to explain accurately. The methods of collecting evidence are more valuable than the answer to the riddle, why do they move?
Ok, so the best I could do was, hung a piece of paper, from tape, I couldn't use a phone to record it, but i looked up while walking (while being afraid I would tumble down) and after many unsuccessful attempts, I noticed the paper swinging from East to West as I walked under it.

I apologize for not being able to carry that out in full but I did attempt.

What I learned... hmmm well I would have to say that, by me displacing air particles at a speed of about 1m/s, I was creating areas of low pressure behind me, causing a vacuum of some sort which the area of higher pressure above and behind me, rushed to fill perhaps.

This is my hypothesis, sorry if its not accurate but I think it seems reasonable.
 
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Richie Smash said:
Ok, so the best I could do was, hung a piece of paper, from tape, I couldn't use a phone to record it, but i looked up while walking (while being afraid I would tumble down) and after many unsuccessful attempts, I noticed the paper swinging from East to West as I walked under it.

I apologize for not being able to carry that out in full but I did attempt.

What I learned... hmmm well I would have to say that, by me displacing air particles at a speed of about 1m/s, I was creating areas of low pressure behind me, causing a vacuum of some sort which the area of higher pressure above and behind me, rushed to fill perhaps.

This is my hypothesis, sorry if its not accurate but I think it seems reasonable.

Congratulations Richie. No need to apologize. It takes years of training and lots of helpers to do professional experiments.

I think you're right about the low pressure behind you. If you re-read this thread, you will see that several of the others said that, although using different words.
There might be higher pressure in front of you, but it might be slightly harder to close that door than to open it.

But the lesson that you already learned is that science is based on evidence. We have ideas (theories) and then run experiments and see if the results are consistent with the idea. Sometimes we get experimental evidence first and then have to come up with ideas to explain it. Either way, evidence is the key ingredient in real science.

I wish you well in your future studies.
 

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