Motor Powering Generator Efficiency

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the efficiency of generators powered by engines, specifically how to determine the wattage output based on horsepower (HP) ratings. Participants explore the relationship between engine power, generator output, and efficiency factors, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to calculate the efficiency factor for determining generator output from a known HP engine, citing discrepancies between theoretical conversions and manufacturer specifications.
  • Another participant mentions that typical automotive alternators have efficiencies ranging from 60% to 80%, suggesting that the efficiency of the generator in question may be on the higher end of this range.
  • A different viewpoint is presented regarding the cost-effectiveness of alternator efficiency, noting that achieving very high efficiencies (around 90%) may not be practical and that larger motors might be a more viable solution.
  • One participant argues that a high-speed gas engine paired with an electronic converter can achieve over 90% efficiency, proposing that this system is superior to older generator setups that operate at fixed RPMs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency of generators and alternators, with no consensus on a specific efficiency factor or the best approach to maximize output from engines. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal methods for calculating and improving generator efficiency.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various efficiency ranges and practical considerations without establishing a definitive standard for efficiency factors. The discussion includes assumptions about cost-effectiveness and performance that are not universally agreed upon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those involved in engineering, generator design, automotive technology, and anyone seeking to understand the relationship between engine power and generator efficiency.

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What do I look for to determine the efficiency factor to know how many watts I can get out of a generator given a specific known HP sized engine?

Example:
12.6 HP gives 9395 Watts from the standard HP to Watts conversion... however on a Markon generator, the spec sheet says that a 12.6 HP engine will provide 7500 Watts.

I am sure that number is composed of data from days of testing, calculations, safety factors, etc. I wanted to see what I could calculate for a 9.9 HP engine but wasn't sure where to start. Is there an industry standard / assumed 80% efficiency factor?

Any thoughts?

Markon link for reference: https://www.cumminsgeneratortechnologies.com/www/en/referenceapplications/apu/MARKON_Brochure.pdf
 
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You reach a price point for alternator efficiency. An extremely efficient alternator [~90%] would not be cost efficient. It is more practical to use a bigger motor.
 
The most efficient system is for a high speed gas engine with a converter to deliver the electrical output as needed. This is because the size and weight for a given generator power go down with RPM. Conversion of the electrical output from the generator by electronic converter is over 90% efficient. The older gensets running at 1800 or 3600 RPM so they could put out 60 Hz is really old school thinking.
 

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