Generator Input and Output Power

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and operation of a brushless generator, specifically focusing on the input and output power calculations related to a brushless motor and a combustion engine. Participants explore the relationship between RPM, voltage, and efficiency in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) presents a scenario involving a brushless motor rated at 6000 Watts and a combustion engine rated at 3500 Watts, questioning the expected output voltage and current based on RPM and efficiency.
  • One participant questions the OP's use of "250KV," suggesting it should be "250V" and challenges the assumption that voltage is directly proportional to RPM for most motors.
  • Another participant interprets "250KV" as a motor constant of 250 rpm/V, speculating that the motor in question is a brushless DC motor.
  • A different participant asserts that voltage is indeed proportional to rotational speed for electric machines, stating that at 16,000 RPM, the expected voltage would be approximately 64V, but notes that load will affect this due to impedance considerations.
  • This participant also raises concerns about the operational stability of the system at high RPMs, suggesting potential issues with prolonged use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between voltage and RPM, with some supporting the OP's calculations while others challenge the assumptions made. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the motor's specifications and the implications for output voltage and current.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the definitions of motor constants and the effects of load on voltage output. The discussion does not clarify the specific type of brushless motor being referenced or the exact nature of the load intended for the generator.

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Hello I try to build a brushless Generator.

Let me try to explain it.

I have a brushless engine. max 6000 Watt 250KV.
And I have combustion engine. 3500 Watt by 16k RPM

If I connect the combustion engine with the brushless motor and the combustin engine turns with 16k
the brushless motor should provide about 1600RPM / 250KV = 64Volt

The combustion engine should have by 16k RPM 3500 Watts,according the performance datasheet.

If the brushless engine would a efficiency of 80% I should get out about 64 Volts with 44 Ampere.

3500Watt * 0.80 = 2800 Watt

2800Watts / 64Volt = 43,75 Ampere

I´m right or not ;)

THX
 
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diode1990 said:
6000 Watt 250KV.

I think you mean 250V, not 250KV, correct?

diode1990 said:
1600RPM / 250KV = 64Volt

No, with most motors voltage is not proportional to RPM.

Can you post a photo of the name plate of the brushless motor? Use the UPLOAD button to post pictures.

What load do you want to supply with this generator? It is the load's needs that determine the voltage/current requirements.
 
I think the OP means 250 rpm/V. Eg its the motor constant. I'm wondering if this is a brushless DC motor?
 
Sounds like you are playing with RC brushless motors, at least that is where they typically rate motor as xxxxKV (rpm/V), I'm more used to seeing the EMF constant as xxV/krpm. Contrary to a previous statement, pretty much all (magnetic) electric machines produce voltage exactly proportional to rotational speed, double the speed doubles the induced voltage.

So if you are dealing with a 16krpm, and not 1600rpm, then you will get about 16000/250=64V.

Keep in mind this will be an AC voltage with a frequency determined by the pole pair count of the machine and its speed.

As soon as you put a load on it however things change, you have a frequency dependent impedance from the stator inductance as well as the winding resistance, so while the higher speed generates more voltage, its doing so at a higher frequency which means you loose more voltage with load from the increased impedance.

Plus this thing screaming at 16krpm will be horrible for any period of time!
 
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