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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a set of physics and mathematics problems related to vehicle dynamics, specifically focusing on a rear-wheel-drive car's performance metrics such as maximum power, speed, tractive force, and acceleration under various conditions. The context is academic, as the original poster seeks guidance on how to approach these homework questions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster, Adam, is uncertain about which equations to use for the homework questions and seeks direction.
  • Adam calculates the power available at the rear wheels as 67.5 kW after accounting for a 10% transmission loss.
  • There is a question regarding the interpretation of "theoretical" in the context of maximum speed calculations, with some participants suggesting it may imply neglecting certain resistances.
  • Adam expresses frustration with the complexity of the problems and the lack of progress, indicating a need for further assistance.
  • There is a request for equations that may be applicable to the remaining questions, highlighting a desire for more structured guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation of power at the rear wheels, but there is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of "theoretical" in the context of the speed questions. The discussion remains unresolved as participants have not reached a consensus on how to approach the remaining problems.

Contextual Notes

Adam has not received a response from his tutor regarding his queries, which may impact his ability to progress with the homework. There is also mention of a digital answer form that restricts submissions to a single answer, complicating the approach to the theoretical questions.

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Homework Statement



Hi I am new here and really struggle with maths/physics based problems as i have very little experience in them due to studying other subjects at A-Level and now studying Motorsport Tech at uni.

This is the questions we have been set for xmas work.

A rear wheel drive car of mass 2200kg has a rolling resistance of 150 N, a frontal area of 1.6m2, a drag coefficient of 0.30, a transmission loss of 10% and a maximum engine power of 75kW. Assuming that the traction limit for each tyre is equal to the weight that it carries (i.e. the tyre traction coefficient =1) and that 60% of the vehicle weight is on the rear wheels during acceleration,


a) What is the maximum power available at the back wheels?

b) What is its theoretical maximum speed in mph on a level road?

c) What is its theoretical maximum speed in mph up a 1 in 4 hill?

d) What is the maximum tractive force that each of the rear tyres could provide under acceleration before slipping occurs? (NB this is per rear wheel not per axle !)

e) What would be the maximum, useable, tractive force at each of the rear tyres if full power was applied at 25 mph? (hint: is this limited by tyre grip or by engine power?)

f) What would be the wind resistance at 25 mph?

g) What would be the acceleration (in mph/s) at 25 mph on the level?

h) What would be the acceleration (in mph/s) at 25 mph up a 1 in 4 hill?

Take the density of air to be 1.2 Kg/m3 and g = 9.8 m/s2





Homework Equations



Instead of asking for answers to these questions i would just like a nudge in the right direction as i am unsure as to which equations to use as we havnt really been given many yet?

D = 0.5 **V2*Cd*A
where

D is the air resistance (drag) in Newtons
 is the air density (about 1.2Kg/m3 at sea level)
V is velocity in m/s
Cd is the drag coefficient
A is the frontal area of the vehicle in m2

0.5 = 0.6 kg/m3


dont know if that is useful?



The Attempt at a Solution



All my attempts have resulted in a mess so far, for question one i hazard a guess that you just have to remove 10% or do i need to include other factors?


Thanks in advance for any help, This doesn't have to be in until the 12th jan so i have a while to go through it with as much help from you guys as possible

Thankyou

Adam
 
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I will update with work i have tried to do as i am giving this as much effort as i can I am just terrible at this sort of work.

Q1. I removed 10% leaving me with power at rear wheels as 67.5 kW or 67500 w

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Looks correct for Q1.

Welcome to the PF, BTW.
 
Thanks mate, hope i have posted in correct section etc and not been to cheeky in posting all the questions its just that I've sat here since eight this morning and I am getting frustrated lol
 
In questions 2 and 3 would you say that "theoretical" means i don't have to include resistance etc?
 
Anyone?
 
Adam MK3 said:
In questions 2 and 3 would you say that "theoretical" means i don't have to include resistance etc?

Not sure what they mean by "theoretical" in b) and c). It could be neglecting air resistance and rolling resistance, but you have the tools to calculate those, so I'm not sure. Maybe calculate it both ways (with and without resistance) and label the answers, just to be sure.
 
ok cheers mate, its a digital answer form were u can only put one answer, so il have to think, I've sent my tutor an email so will wait for his reply! can anyone shed light on equations i might use for the other questions?

Thanks again

Adam
 
Im not making much progress with this. . .:eek:
 
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Adam MK3 said:
Im not making much progress with this. . .:eek:

What was your tutor's reply to your e-mail?
 
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Hasnt replyed yet, I am only hoping he will soon!
 

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