Multivariable partial derivative

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating a relationship between partial derivatives in the context of transforming from polar to Cartesian coordinates. The specific equation to be shown involves expressing the partial derivative with respect to x in terms of partial derivatives with respect to r and φ.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the multivariable chain rule as a potential approach to the problem. There are attempts to express r and φ in terms of x, leading to questions about the correctness of these transformations and the application of the chain rule.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to manipulate the equations, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the approach and whether it correctly leads to the desired result. One participant indicates that their previous attempts did not yield the correct answer, suggesting ongoing exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of specific transformations and relationships, such as r being defined as the square root of the sum of squares of x and y, and φ being defined using the arctangent function, which may introduce subtleties in the calculations. Participants also note the importance of proper notation in LaTeX for clarity.

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Homework Statement


From the transformation from polar to Cartesian coordinates, show that

\begin{equation}
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} = \cosφ \frac{\partial}{\partial r} - \frac{\sinφ}{r} \frac{\partial}{\partialφ}
\end{equation}

Homework Equations


The transformation from polar to Cartesian coordinates is assumed to be x = r\cosφ

The Attempt at a Solution


To solve the problem i tried to use the multivariable chain rule. Resulting in the following equation:

\begin{equation}
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} =\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}+\frac{\partialφ}{\partial x}\frac{\partial}{\partial φ}
\end{equation}

Writing ##r = x/\cosφ## and ##\arccos(x/r) = φ## i tried to solve this problem. But this does not give the right answer.

Am i using the right approach? I think it is necessary to use the multivariable chain rule in some form. But the partial derivative not acting on some other function seems a bit weird to me so i am not sure how to solve this problem.
 
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RichardJ said:

Homework Statement


From the transformation from polar to Cartesian coordinates, show that

\begin{equation}
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} = cosφ \frac{\partial}{\partial r} - \frac{sinφ}{r} \frac{\partial}{\partialφ}
\end{equation}

Homework Equations


The transformation from polar to Cartesian coordinates is assumed to be x = rcosφ

The Attempt at a Solution


To solve the problem i tried to use the multivariable chain rule. Resulting in the following equation:

\begin{equation}
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} =\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}+\frac{\partialφ}{\partial x}\frac{\partial}{\partial φ}
\end{equation}

Writing ##r = x/cosφ## and ##arccos(x/r) = φ## i tried to solve this problem. But this does not give the right answer.

Am i using the right approach? I think it is necessary to use the multivariable chain rule in some form. But the partial derivative not acting on some other function seems a bit weird to me so i am not sure how to solve this problem.

In LaTeX, standard functions look a lot better if they are preceded by '\', so you get ##\sin \phi## instead of ##sin \phi##, etc.
 
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RichardJ said:
##\frac{\partial}{\partial x} =\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}\frac{\partial}{\partial r}+\frac{\partialφ}{\partial x}\frac{\partial}{\partial φ}##
With that equation in mind:
##r=\sqrt{x²+y²}##
##φ=\arctan(\frac{y}{x})## (with some subtleties).
 
Ahh, thanks a lot. That solved the problem.
 

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