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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of making difficult life choices, such as career paths, relationships, and personal decisions. Participants explore various frameworks and philosophies for approaching these choices, including philosophical insights and practical methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a talk by philosopher Ruth Chang, suggesting that the way we think about hard choices is flawed and that there is no correct answer to many of these dilemmas.
  • One participant cites Karl Marx's quote about destiny, arguing that certain life elements are predetermined, which influences how choices are made.
  • Another participant discusses the I Ching as a tool for decision-making, describing it as a method that provides a different perspective on choices rather than a definitive answer.
  • Some participants propose that if all options seem equally viable, using random methods like coin tosses can be a reasonable way to make decisions.
  • There is a viewpoint that people often understand there is no right answer to hard choices but still feel the weight of the decision, which can lead to stress and deliberation.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about using a coin toss to decide between romantic interests, highlighting the unpredictable outcomes of such decisions.
  • Another participant mentions a playlist of TED Talks related to choices, suggesting additional resources for exploring the topic.
  • One comment briefly mentions a linear programming perspective on decision-making, indicating a mathematical approach to the problem.
  • A participant shares a link to an article by George Monbiot on making career choices, implying that there are various perspectives on this issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of decision-making, with no clear consensus on the best approach. Some agree on the complexity and weight of hard choices, while others propose specific methods or frameworks for navigating them.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various philosophical and practical frameworks without resolving the effectiveness or applicability of these methods. The discussion reflects a diversity of opinions on the role of rationality and randomness in decision-making.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals facing significant life choices, those exploring philosophical perspectives on decision-making, or anyone looking for alternative methods to approach complex decisions.

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Here's a talk that could literally change your life. Which career should I pursue? Should I break up — or get married?! Where should I live? Big decisions like these can be agonizingly difficult. But that's because we think about them the wrong way, says philosopher Ruth Chang. She offers a powerful new framework for shaping who we truly are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GQZuzIdeQQ
 
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One of the greatest forum thread I have ever read. What has helpwd me through life to make difficult choices is Karl Marxs quote, "Men make destiny but not of their choosing". It explains how certain elements in our life are preordained such as ethnicity, name, and social status. Therefore humans have to work with what they have.


Tolstoy is also great and so is Machiavelli.
 
Interesting talk, it identified the nature of a hard choice but without guidance on how to work your way out of it other than to make reasons for and against until it becomes clear.

In the past, we have used the I Ching to decide on some major issues on rare occasions and it has helped immensely.

Most people may view the I Ching as a Chinese fortune telling book however its more of a compass giving you a direction and different way to look at a situation that can lead to a workable answer at the very least it gets you to move and from the new vantage point you can see things differently.

In a sense, the I Ching is a fancy coin toss mechanism for when you just can't decide or are afraid to decide.

Your mileage may vary.
 
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jedishrfu said:
In a sense, the I Ching is a fancy coin toss mechanism for when you just can't decide or are afraid to decide.
I would like to add one thing: If, after a full deliberation of all the options one still cannot decide between them on a rational level (e.g., because they are all equally good/meh/bad, or have unforeseeable consequences), then an *actual* coin toss/dice roll/etc. is a perfectly reasonable way of deciding. Even for the most important life choices. And, who knows? Maybe there even is a non-rational power which means you well, and this gives it the means to help you.
 
She seemed to reach the conclusion that people agonize over hard choices because they are looking for a correct answer where there isn't one, and that people feel stupid for not being able to find one.

Personally, I think that doesn't give the person faced with the hard choice too much credit.

It seems to me that a lot of people are very well aware that there is no "right" answer in such circumstances. Often I see people agonizing because of the weight of the choice itself. Big life choices often warrant the stress they invoke so that we will spend time deliberating and examining the choice from many different angles, and seek advice, and yes, even look back on it after it's been made. Allowing ourselves to conclude that there is no right answer is difficult, particularly for science-minded-types, because it stems from an inductive process and agonizing over an issue is the only way to pass a threshold from which a conclusion can be allowed.
 
There are times when making some decision is more important than what the decision is. If it turns out to be a bad decision, you can always fix that later on.

If something like the I Ching helps you get to the point of deciding on some course of action, then it is useful.

A nice example was one of my friends at university, who couldn't decide between three girlfriends. One night in the bar he decided to toss a coin, with the three possible outcomes of heads, tails, and standing on its edge. The coin rolled across the floor and stopped almost vertical against the edge of the bar. Last time I heard from him, his wife's nickname was still "edges", and he had been happily married for more than 30 years.

The video's comment about these decisions defining "what sort of person you want to be" doesn't seem helpful at all. After all, if high school kids already knew whether they really really wanted to be professional sportsmen/women or astronauts, they wouldn't be agonizing over an impossibly hard choice!
 
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Sounds like a linear program problem to me
 

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