Mutual inductance of a coil inside a solenoid

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the mutual inductance formula for a coil placed inside a solenoid, specifically addressing the behavior of the magnetic field and its implications on the flux calculation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the varying magnetic field and the calculation of magnetic flux, questioning whether the magnetic field can be treated as constant during integration.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the conditions under which the magnetic field can be considered uniform for the purpose of integration, while others express ongoing confusion about the implications of the alternating current on the magnetic field.

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There is an emphasis on the distinction between the time variation of the magnetic field and its spatial uniformity over the area of interest during a specific instant.

Amaelle
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Good day , i have an issue with the derivation of the mutual inductance of coil inside solenoid formula
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I1 is an alternating current which means that B is varying, and we know that the Flux 21 is equal to the integral of the dot product of B and A2 but as B is varying we CAN NOT take it out of the integral and use the form used in the pic (the formula encercled in red).
Maybe there is something missing in my logic and any help would be highly appreciated, thanks!
 

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You can take B out of the integral as long as B doesn’t vary with position.
 
thank you for your prompt answer, but I still have difficulty to grasp this point, isn t B varying with time?? because the current is alternating? thanks!
 
Yes, B varies with time. So the flux varies with time. But the flux at any particular instant of time is a spatial integral of B over the surface A2. At any particular time, B is uniform over the A2.
 
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Thanks a million ! you nail it !
 

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