My idea on what happened to all the antimatter.

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The discussion revolves around the question of what happened to all the antimatter in the universe, exploring the hypothesis that micro black holes formed during the Big Bang may have absorbed more antimatter than matter. Participants examine the implications of this idea in the context of Hawking radiation and baryogenesis, considering both theoretical and mathematical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that micro black holes created during the Big Bang could explain the predominance of matter over antimatter by absorbing more antiparticles than particles.
  • Another participant notes that while the idea is not completely ridiculous, there is a need for further exploration and input from others in the forum.
  • A participant expresses a desire for mathematical backing or disproof of the initial hypothesis, acknowledging their limited mathematical skills.
  • One contribution discusses baryogenesis, explaining an asymmetry in particle-antiparticle pairs that may account for the matter-antimatter imbalance, suggesting that the initial conditions of the universe played a crucial role.
  • Some participants question whether Hawking radiation has a preference for matter or antimatter, with one suggesting that chance could account for the observed imbalance.
  • Another participant provides a simplified explanation of Hawking radiation, emphasizing the energy dynamics involved when particles fall into black holes.
  • One participant calculates the improbability of a 50-50 chance scenario for antimatter falling into black holes, suggesting that such a hypothesis lacks credibility.
  • Another participant acknowledges the credibility of the idea that micro black holes existed in the early universe and could have absorbed antimatter, while still expressing skepticism about the overall explanation.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of particles and antiparticles in relation to black hole absorption and Hawking radiation, with differing views on the probabilities involved.
  • One participant emphasizes the lack of observational evidence for primordial black holes, questioning the premise of the discussion.
  • A participant reiterates their position that more antimatter may have fallen into black holes than regular matter, seeking validation of this idea.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the idea of micro black holes absorbing antimatter while others challenge the assumptions and probabilities involved. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the validity of the initial hypothesis or the mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the early universe and the role of high energy levels, as well as the need for further mathematical and observational evidence to support various claims. The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of Hawking radiation and its implications for matter-antimatter dynamics.

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  • #32
So far as is known, there is no way for a particle of matter to form without an antimatter particle forming at the same time.

When you say "...Anti-matter is more hypothesis than fact..." exactly what do you mean?
 
  • #33
derek.basler said:
I have recently been reading Moment of Creation by James Trefil, and I have stumbled upon the question, where has all the antimatter gone? I asked myself, what if micro black holes produced by the tremendous energy at the big bang are the answer? If you have an understanding in hawking radiation then you know particle-antiparticle pairs are produced at balck holes. What if, by chance, antiparticles were absorbed by these micro black holes more than regular particles. It could explain why there is more matter than antimatter. Has this been dissproved by anyone? Is this a plausible theory?

if there are equal number of matter and antimatter at the beginning then there should be equal chances of micro black holes formed with antimatter too...this is just opposite...so if you say antimatter gone because of micro black holes formed with matter,then matter should also have gone because of micro black holes formed with antimatter...
 
  • #34
this may be a dumb question, but how do we know there is no antimatter in the univers. By looking at some distant galaxy is there something about it that we can distinguish that it is made of matter rather than antimatter?
 
  • #35
Well we receive many particles from distant galaxies, and none of them turn up to be antiparticles, so it gives us a good indication that they are not made of antimatter.
 
  • #36
To the OP. In order to have a matter/antimatter asymmetry the necessary and sufficient conditions were layed out by Sakharov in the 60s.

A black hole in and of itself is not sufficient to meet these bounds, however a black hole and other physics is. So while this isn't exactly what you had in mind, its somewhat related.

For instance Grand unified theories provide a mechanism to have baryon number nonconservation and CP violation. So indeed, if you combine a black hole with something like that, you presumably satisfy the conditions necessary.

This is what's called black hole baryogenesis, and it has been looked at before (Hawkings and Zeldovitch were the pioneers afair). The idea being, a black hole while its radiating under the Hawking process can spit out a bunch of heavy particles, and they in turn can violate lepton or baryon number. The black hole in that case, acts like a sort of multiplier to the final observed asymmetry.

The problem is, you need a lot of primordial black holes in the early universe to be of relevance, and this in turn is very sensitive to inflation and is highly model dependent. Moreover Sphaleoron processes damp some of this as well.

You'd probably have to search arxiv for the modern parameter spaces where this hypothesis lives in. I don't know off the top of my head if its been falsified or whether its still active.
 
  • #37
where is all the antimatter. I was reading up on Fienman diagrams, in an electron / antielectron(positron) interaction, the two particles anihilate and yeild a high energy photon. but that is mathmatically equivilant to an electron absorbing a high energy photon and traveling backwards in time as a positron. So from that argument, an antiparticle is the same as a particle that is traveling back in time. So could the absence of antimatter be a consequence of the one directional nature of time? So to have equal quantities of matter and antimater, time would have to be bidirectional? Seems as reasonable as primordial black holes?
 
  • #38
yea that actually sounds pretty interesting. But we can create anti-particles, so that would break times one-directionality right?
 
  • #39
There are multiple parts to this question. The first question is "is there a global baryon asymmetry (the technical term for the matter-antimatter asymmetry) or are there pockets of matter and pockets of antimatter?" We don't really know the answer to this, but we do know that if there are pockets, they are quite large - perhaps 100 Mpc across. We know this because we don't see evidence of nearby annihilation radiation.

The second question is whether there were enough primordial black holes to force an asymmetry. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that the answer is "no". If the expected asymmetry was due to chance alone, it would mean you'd end up with an excess that is about the size of the square root of the number of PBH's. For example, a 10% matter-antimatter asymmetry would mean ~100 PBH's. A 1% asymmetry would mean ~10,000 PBH's.

The problem is that there's not enough dark matter out there. There is ~8x as much dark matter (including PBH's) as ordinary matter, which would suggest only 64 PBHs. We know that dark matter is very smoothly distributed, and we would need many trillions of them, not just 64. So this doesn't work out well quantitatively.
 
  • #40
isnt it possible that the antimatter might have got liberated to form something outside the uiniverse and may be it is supporting the universe
 

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