Myth Or Fact? - Wind drag on flaming arrows

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects of wind drag on flaming arrows compared to regular arrows, specifically whether flaming arrows would accelerate faster in a stable atmosphere. The scope includes theoretical considerations and speculative reasoning regarding energy dynamics and atmospheric interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a flaming arrow cannot significantly reduce air density in its flight path without also increasing drag, suggesting a connection to 'free energy' hypotheses.
  • One participant speculates that while the same amount of energy is applied initially to both flaming and non-flaming arrows, the flaming arrow may have more energy upon landing.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that excessive energy is applied when firing the bow, complicating the comparison between flaming and non-flaming arrows.
  • It is suggested that the speed of the arrow may prevent the effects of added heat from the flame on the atmosphere from being significant, and that any potential advantage from flaming arrows may come from ground-level fire rather than the arrows themselves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the effects of flaming arrows on acceleration and the role of atmospheric conditions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the influence of heat on air density and the dynamics of energy transfer in the context of arrow flight.

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Myth Or Fact? -- Wind drag on flaming arrows

In a stable atmosphere would arrows that have their head on fire accelerate faster than a regular arrow?
 
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Why? A flaming arrow in flight cannot reduce the density of air in its flight path to any meaningful extent without inducing an equal amount of drag. This is a back door 'free energy' hypothesis.
 


This is a back door 'free energy' hypothesis.
Could you please elaborate.
 


My best guess (I've never really seen this myth before): You'd be applying the same amount of energy initially to the arrow (same pull back of the string.) But when it's about to land, it has more energy?
 


You'd be applying the same amount of energy initially to the arrow (same pull back of the string.) But when it's about to land, it has more energy?
I don't think that's the case. You are applying excessive energy in firing the bow.
So, that's the tricky part.
 


I was saying for a flaming arrow vs a nonflaming one. We're applying the same energy in firing.
 


Arrow travels too fast for effect of added heat on unstable atmosphere to catch on. Air has quite a bit of inertia of its own. Once the flaming arrow lands, it can create updraft over it. So maybe if you've set an entire field ablaze with flaming arrows, the arrows launched over it will carry a bit further (they still won't accelerate faster), but it'd be due to fire on ground, not fire on the arrow.
 

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