Naive question about the speed of light

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the speed of light, particularly its constancy across different reference frames, and the implications of this concept as derived from both theoretical thought experiments and empirical evidence. Participants explore the relationship between Maxwell's equations, the Michelson-Morley experiment, and Einstein's thought experiments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the constancy of the speed of light stems from the Michelson-Morley experiment, which aimed to measure variations in light speed due to Earth's motion through the ether.
  • Others argue that if one could theoretically catch up to a light beam, it would imply that the light would no longer behave as an electromagnetic wave, which would contradict Maxwell's equations.
  • It is noted that if one could move at a speed different from c relative to a light beam, the electromagnetic wave would vanish, leading to practical implications such as the inability to see light sources or receive radio signals while in motion.
  • Some participants question the necessity of the Michelson-Morley experiment in light of the theoretical implications of Einstein's thought experiments.
  • There is a mention that Einstein's thought experiments, while significant, are not substitutes for real experimental evidence in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of the Michelson-Morley experiment versus theoretical considerations from Einstein's thought experiments. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity and implications of both approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between theoretical models and experimental validation, as well as the implications of Maxwell's equations in different reference frames.

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I thought that the idea that the speed of light is a constant in every reference frame came from the Michelson-Morely experiment. But a friend of mine was saying that Einstein supposed that if one could catch up to a light beam then it would no longer be moving and would then not be an electromagnetic wave. This would violate Maxwell's equations. Wouldn't this thought experiment suggest that the speed of light is constant?
 
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The point is that according to Maxwell's equations, if you could move at a different speed than c relative to a light beam(as measured by you), then for you, the electromagnetic wave that the light consists of would vanish.

The practical result of this would be that unless you were perfectly at rest with respect to a light source, you wouldn't be able to see it, car radios wouldn't pick up any stations while driving down the road, etc.

Since none of this happens, we conclude that electromagnetic waves are measured as moving at c in every reference frame.
 
Janus said:
The point is that according to Maxwell's equations, if you could move at a different speed than c relative to a light beam(as measured by you), then for you, the electromagnetic wave that the light consists of would vanish.

The practical result of this would be that unless you were perfectly at rest with respect to a light source, you wouldn't be able to see it, car radios wouldn't pick up any stations while driving down the road, etc.

Since none of this happens, we conclude that electromagnetic waves are measured as moving at c in every reference frame.

Ok so why do you need the Michelson Morely experiment?
 
Einstein's was a "gedanken experiment".
Physics requires real experiments.
 
Meir Achuz said:
Einstein's was a "gedanken experiment".
Physics requires real experiments.

thanks
 

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