Name for integration by parts shortcut

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a proposed shortcut for integration by parts, specifically involving the identification of constants \(\lambda\) and \(\mu\) such that \(f'' = \lambda f\) and \(g'' = \mu g\). Participants explore the applicability of this method, its limitations, and its potential as a teaching tool or exam question.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces a shortcut for integration by parts involving constants \(\lambda\) and \(\mu\), questioning its name and origin.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the utility of the shortcut, suggesting that \(\lambda\) being a number limits its effectiveness.
  • Some participants agree that \(\lambda\) and \(\mu\) are numbers and note that the shortcut is applicable in specific cases, such as with exponential and trigonometric functions.
  • A participant reflects on the method as more of an exam question rather than a practical shortcut, sharing a reformulation of the original expression.
  • Another participant suggests that certain integrals could be computed directly without using integration by parts, indicating that the shortcut may not be necessary for all cases.
  • One participant provides an example of using the shortcut for the integral \(\int x \sin(x) dx\), noting the specific values of \(\lambda\) and \(\mu\) that simplify the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the effectiveness and classification of the proposed shortcut. While some see it as a useful method, others question its practicality and suggest that it may not be a true shortcut in all scenarios. No consensus is reached regarding its name or broader applicability.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the applicability of the shortcut, particularly its dependence on the existence of constants \(\lambda\) and \(\mu\) for specific functions. There are also unresolved formatting issues related to the presentation of mathematical expressions.

PhantomOort
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Hi all. I've recently learned a shortcut for integration by parts, but don't know what it's called or where it comes from.

The trick is to find [tex]\lambda[/tex] such that [tex]f'' = \lambda f[/tex] and [tex]\mu[/tex] such that [tex]g'' = \mu g[/tex], providing both are constants and [tex]\lambda[/tex][tex]\neq[/tex][tex]\mu[/tex]. Then [tex]\int[/tex]f(x)g(x)dx = [tex]\frac{f'g-fg'}{\lambda-\mu}[/tex].

Can anyone tell me what this is called? Thanks.
 
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Is [itex]\lambda[/itex] a number here? Then I can't imagine that "shortcut" being much good. It is only possible to find [itex]\lambda[/itex] such that [itex]f"= \lambda f[/itex] and [itex]g"= \lambda g[/itex] when both f and g are linear combinations of [itex]e^{\lamba x}[/itex] and [itex]e^{-\lambda x}[/itex].
 
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Yes, both [tex]\lambda[/tex] and [tex]\mu[/tex] are numbers. Obviously this only works in cases where they exist, such as for exponentials, trig functions, or x. But these make up a great many common integrals, so it's a pretty good shortcut.
 
It does not seem to be a shortcut but rather like a nice exam question that my professors used to ask. I really liked it. Let me write it again, becaues latex parser went crazy above...

[tex]fg = (\lambda -\mu)\frac{fg}{\lambda -\mu} = \frac{f''g-fg''}{\lambda - \mu} = \frac{f''g-fg''+f'g' - f'g'}{\lambda - \mu} = \frac{(f'g)' -(fg')'}{\lambda - \mu}[/tex]

Integration gives the result...
 
PhantomOort said:
Yes, both [tex]\lambda[/tex] and [tex]\mu[/tex] are numbers. Obviously this only works in cases where they exist, such as for exponentials, trig functions, or x. But these make up a great many common integrals, so it's a pretty good shortcut.
It would seem to me that integrals of the form [itex]\int(Ae^{\lambda x}+ Be^{-\lamba x})(Ce^{\lambda x}+ De^{-\lambda x}) dx[/itex][itex]= \int (ACe^{2\lambda x}+ BDe^{-2\lambda x}+ (BC+ AD))dx[/itex] could be done directly without worrying about integration by parts.
 
trambolin said:
It does not seem to be a shortcut but rather like a nice exam question that my professors used to ask. I really liked it. Let me write it again, becaues latex parser went crazy above...

[tex]fg = (\lambda -\mu)\frac{fg}{\lambda -\mu} = \frac{f''g-fg''}{\lambda - \mu} = \frac{f''g-fg''+f'g' - f'g'}{\lambda - \mu} = \frac{(f'g)' -(fg')'}{\lambda - \mu}[/tex]

Integration gives the result...
Damn, I could have done that! I need to stop being so lazy.

Thanks.
 
HallsofIvy said:
It would seem to me that integrals of the form [itex]\int(Ae^{\lambda x}+ Be^{-\lamba x})(Ce^{\lambda x}+ De^{-\lambda x}) dx[/itex][itex]= \int (ACe^{2\lambda x}+ BDe^{-2\lambda x}+ (BC+ AD))dx[/itex] could be done directly without worrying about integration by parts.

It's for integrals like [itex]\int x sin(x) dx[/itex], which are usually done by parts. Not that this is super hard, but with the shortcut, [tex]\lambda=0, \mu = -1[/tex], and the result is [tex]sin(x)-xcos(x)[/tex] and we're done.


PS, my apologies to any readers put off by the formatting. I'm utterly unfamiliar with this tex style and working through it as I go.
 

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