Naming question; Michael Aldol Condensation

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The discussion revolves around the naming of a compound synthesized during a Michael Aldol condensation experiment. Participants are exploring the correct nomenclature based on structural details provided by the original poster, including the presence of a methyl group on one of the diphenyls.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster suggests a name for their compound as 6-ethoxycarbonyl-3-phenyl-5-(4-methylbenzyl)-2-cyclohexenone and questions its correctness.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for a visual representation of the compound to provide accurate naming assistance.
  • A participant corrects the original poster's terminology, suggesting that it should be 4-methylphenyl instead of 4-methylbenzyl, and notes that using toluene nomenclature is less systematic.
  • Another participant provides links to free software for drawing chemical structures, indicating that visual aids could facilitate the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the correct naming of the compound, as participants express differing opinions on terminology and the necessity of visual aids for accurate naming.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of systematic nomenclature versus common naming conventions, indicating potential confusion in naming based on structural variations.

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Hi everyone,

So I am performing a michael aldol condensation experiment and i was wondering if anyone can help with the naming. An example of naming would be 6-ethoxycarbonyl-3,5-diphenyl-2-cyclohexenone. This example was in my lab manual; the compound I am synthesizing, has a (p) or 4-methyl on only one of the diphenyls of the example compound. So my question is, I understand that when a benzene ring has a methyl, it is named toluene. This is how i am naming my compound: 6-ethoxycarbonyl-3-phenyl-5-(4-methylbenzyl)-2-cyclohexenone. Does this sound right? my next guess would be to -5-((p)-toluenyl)-2-cyclo... thanks for the help.
 
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Nobody will be able to help not seeing the compound...
 
Borek is right, no one will be able to help you if you cannot draw or show an image of your compound. You can use a simple free software like ChemSketch to draw your chemical structures. Check out this link to view information about the software:
http://www.acdlabs.com/resources/freeware/chemsketch/

Regards.
 
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Leakyrex1 said:
Hi everyone,

So I am performing a michael aldol condensation experiment and i was wondering if anyone can help with the naming. An example of naming would be 6-ethoxycarbonyl-3,5-diphenyl-2-cyclohexenone. This example was in my lab manual; the compound I am synthesizing, has a (p) or 4-methyl on only one of the diphenyls of the example compound. So my question is, I understand that when a benzene ring has a methyl, it is named toluene. This is how i am naming my compound: 6-ethoxycarbonyl-3-phenyl-5-(4-methylbenzyl)-2-cyclohexenone. Does this sound right? my next guess would be to -5-((p)-toluenyl)-2-cyclo... thanks for the help.

Your first name preferred, except that it should be 4-methylphenyl and not 4-methylbenzyl, if I understand you correctly. The toluene nomenclature is less desirable (not systematic), but if used, it should be p-tolyl not p-toluenyl. Another place to get chemical structure drawing software for free is: http://www.chem.wisc.edu/areas/reich/plt/winplt.htm
 

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