Nasty summation + derivative help

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of summations involving the functions f(r) and g(r), defined in terms of an exponential function. Participants explore the relationships between these functions and their derivatives, questioning the validity of certain mathematical expressions and assumptions regarding the nature of the variable r.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if the ratio of the summations of g(r) and f(r) can be simplified.
  • Another participant suggests that the differences between f(r) and its derivative f'(r) should be considered in the simplification process.
  • A correction is made regarding the derivative f'(r), with a participant providing the correct expression and questioning the meaning of the summation if r is not treated as a continuous variable.
  • One participant acknowledges previous errors in their post and updates their expressions, indicating a lack of clarity in their initial submission.

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Participants express differing views on the simplification process and the treatment of the variable r, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the continuity of r and the implications of summing over a potentially discrete variable.

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Edit: LOTS OF TYPOS (sorry guys)

Let:

f(r) = e^{-(a-r)^2}
g(r) = r e^{-(a-r)^2}

Where a is some constant

Can:

<br /> \dfrac{ \sum\limits^{r=\infty}_{r=-\infty} g(r) } {\sum\limits^{r=\infty}_{r=-\infty} f(r) }<br />

Be simplified?
 
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Isn't it obvious?
 
Yes, look at the differences between f(r) and f'(r)
 
exmachina said:
Let:

f(r) = e^{-(a-r)^2}
f&#039;(r) = 2e^{-(a-r)^2}
This is incorrect. If f(r)= e^{-(a- r)^2} then f&#039;(r)= e^{-(a-r)^2}[-2(a- r)(-1)]= 2(a-r)e^{-(a-r)^2}.

Where a is some constant

Can:

<br /> \dfrac{ \sum\limits^{r=\infty}_{r=-\infty} f&#039;(r) } { \sum\limits^{r=\infty}_{r=-\infty} f(r) }<br />

Be simplified?
In order that f&#039;(r) exist, r must be a continuous variable. If r is not discrete, what does "\sum_{r=-\infty}^{r=\infty}f(r)" mean?
 
Sorry I was way too sloppy in my original post, I have since updated it, I had forgotten an r term.
 
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double post sorry
 
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