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The discussion revolves around the nature of roots for the equation A2/(x-a) + B2/(x-b) + C2/(x-c) + ... + H2/(x-h) = k. Participants explore the implications of the equation's structure on the existence and type of roots, considering both real and complex solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the behavior of the function as a strictly decreasing function with vertical asymptotes at x=a, b, c, ..., h. Some suggest analyzing the graph to understand how it intersects with the horizontal line y=k. Others consider the implications of the degree of the polynomial formed and the nature of the roots based on the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants offer insights into the polynomial degree and the behavior of the function near its asymptotes. There is recognition of potential ambiguities in the problem's phrasing, and participants are encouraged to visualize the function's behavior to better understand the nature of the roots.

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Participants note that the constants A, B, C, ..., H are assumed to be real and non-zero, which influences the analysis of the roots. There is also mention of the implications if any constants are equal, as well as the need to clarify the definition of complex roots in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



The equation A2/(x-a) + B2/(x-b) + C2/(x-c) + ... + H2/(x-h) = k has

1) No real root
2) At most one real root
3) No complex root
4) At most two complex roots

The Attempt at a Solution



We can see that the function f(x) = L.H.S. - R.H.S. is a strictly decreasing function with x=a,b,c...h as its asymptotes. This is all I could think of.
 
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Hmmmm...

My first thought is to get a common denominator but that seems intractable. However it will allow you to determine the degree and thus count total complex roots via the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra.

Consider how the graph (of the L.H.S.) must look. You know each Vertical Asymptote is of odd multiplicity. How does the curve to the right of say x=a match up with the curve to the left of x=b? What is the range in this interval?

Look at how the graph of y=L.H.S. looks in terms of crossing the horizontal line y = k.

Finally I think the multiple choices are ill formed since 3 implies 4 but presumably you are to give the most specific choice. Also "real roots" are technically special cases of "complex roots" and thus technically 3) implies 1), and 4) implies 2). The author may have intended "complex root" to mean "complex non-real root". Otherwise, as I parse the literal meaning of the answers, I'd have to say "none of the above".
 
Abdul Quadeer said:

Homework Statement



The equation A2/(x-a) + B2/(x-b) + C2/(x-c) + ... + H2/(x-h) = k has

1) No real root
2) At most one real root
3) No complex root
4) At most two complex roots

The Attempt at a Solution



We can see that the function f(x) = L.H.S. - R.H.S. is a strictly decreasing function with x=a,b,c...h as its asymptotes. This is all I could think of.
Try plotting a simple example like f(x) = 1/(x-1) + 1/(x-2) + 1/(x-3) to see what happens.

RGV
 
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You know that this will lead to a polynomial of degree 8 right? Why? There are 8 letters from A to H inclusive. Look at the constant term, what does this tell you?
 
Abdul Quadeer said:

Homework Statement



The equation A2/(x-a) + B2/(x-b) + C2/(x-c) + ... + H2/(x-h) = k has

1) No real root
2) At most one real root
3) No complex root
4) At most two complex roots

The Attempt at a Solution



We can see that the function f(x) = L.H.S. - R.H.S. is a strictly decreasing function with x=a,b,c...h as its asymptotes. This is all I could think of.
Rewrite the function you suggested, f(x) = A2/(x-a) + B2/(x-b) + C2/(x-c) + ... + H2/(x-h) - k, as a rational function. The horizontal asymptote is k. Between each neighboring pair of vertical asymptotes, this function ranges from -∞ to +∞ .
 
hunt_mat said:
Look at the constant term, what does this tell you?

I can't figure that out.


SammyS said:
Rewrite the function you suggested, f(x) = A2/(x-a) + B2/(x-b) + C2/(x-c) + ... + H2/(x-h) - k, as a rational function. The horizontal asymptote is k. Between each neighboring pair of vertical asymptotes, this function ranges from -∞ to +∞ .

How is k a horizontal asymptote? I agree that the function ranges from -∞ to +∞ but what does it say about the nature of roots?
 
Put everything on the LHS over a common denominator, multiply by the common denominator and expand the RHS. The constant term will be abcdefghk
 
Abdul Quadeer said:
How is k a horizontal asymptote? I agree that the function ranges from -∞ to +∞ but what does it say about the nature of roots?
I should have said -k.

lim x → ±∞ f(x) = -k

Also, if you use a common denominator (somewhat like jambaugh suggested) to rewrite f(x) as a rational function, you get:

[tex]f(x)=\frac{A^2(x-b)(x-c)\dots(x-h)+B^2(x-a)(x-c)\dots(x-h)+\dots+H^2(x-a)\dots(x-g)\ -\ k(x-a)\dots(x-g)(x-h)}{(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)(x-d)(x-e)(x-f)(x-g)(x-h)}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{-kx^8+(A^2+B^2+\dots+H^2+k(a+b+\dots+h)x^7+\dots}{(x-a)(x-b)(x-c)(x-d)(x-e)(x-f)(x-g)(x-h)}[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{-kx^8+(A^2+B^2+\dots+H^2+k(a+b+\dots+h)x^7+\dots}{x^8-(a+b+\dots+h)x^7+\dots}[/tex]​

Also, graph some simpler but similar function like g(x)=1/(x+2)+3/(x-2)+2/(x_4) - 3 .

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Abdul Quadeer said:
1) No real root
2) At most one real root
3) No complex root
4) At most two complex roots

This is an interesting question since it doesn't offer "5) None of the above". How do your materials define a "complex root". After all, real numbers are a subset of the complex numbers. And are we assuming all the constants in the equation are real numbers?
 
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The problem only makes sense if you assume all of the constants are real. If you do then it makes good sense. The numerators are squared to ensure they are positive. Use Abdul Quadeer's observation that the function is always decreasing and sketch the asympotes. Use the graph to count the real roots for various cases of k. There really is a good answer. At least if you ignore some stupid phrasing problems in the A, B, C, D selections and just try to figure out what they want you to conclude.
 
  • #11
Dick said:
The problem only makes sense if you assume all of the constants are real.
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Real and non-zero. And do we worry about possibilities like a = b?

This is the type of problem that tests one's mathematical skill and one's skill in reading the mind of the person who wrote it.


Abdul,
To summarize the advice so far, visualize adding the fractions together with a common denominator that is the product of the denominators. You get a numerator that is a polynomial of a certain degree. The function's zeroes are the zeroes of that polynomial. You can count the real zeroes of the function by imagining the graph of the original function. See if that accounts for all the zeroes of the function. Any not accounted for, must be complex.
 
  • #12
Stephen Tashi said:
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Real and non-zero. And do we worry about possibilities like a = b?

Once you've read the mind of the question's author, you realize that those don't make any essential difference. If a=b you can combine those two into the same term. If any of the constants in the numerator are zero, you can drop them. The properly phrased answer is still true. The abject sloppiness of the question really hits you when you start trying to figure out the "At most" options. As SammyS has already pointed out.
 
  • #13
Dick said:
Once you've read the mind of the question's author, you realize that those don't make any essential difference.

That statement made me laugh, but I'll have to agree with it.
 
  • #14
Suppose z is a root of the equation, so is its conjugate. I will denote it by z'.
Then we have

A2/(z-a) + B2/(z-b) + C2/(z-c) + ... + H2/(z-h) = k

and

A2/(z'-a) + B2/(z'-b) + C2/(z'-c) + ... + H2/(z'-h) = k

Let z - z' = iR, where R is a real number.

Subtracting the two equations and simplifying, we get

iR(A2/|z-a|2 + B2/|z-b|2 + C2/|z-c|2 + ... + H2/|z-h|2) = 0

The bracketed term is positive (after assuming A,B,C... a,b,c are real). So we must have R=0. In other words, all roots are real/no complex root.

A.Q.
 
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Abdul Quadeer said:
Suppose z is a root of the equation, so is its conjugate. I will denote it by z'.
Then we have

A2/(z-a) + B2/(z-b) + C2/(z-c) + ... + H2/(z-h) = k

and

A2/(z'-a) + B2/(z'-b) + C2/(z'-c) + ... + H2/(z'-h) = k

Let z - z' = iR, where R is a real number.

Subtracting the two equations and simplifying, we get

iR(A2/|z-a|2 + B2/|z-b|2 + C2/|z-c|2 + ... + H2/|z-h|2) = 0

The bracketed term is positive (after assuming A,B,C... a,b,c are real). So we must have R=0. In other words, all roots are real/no complex root.

A.Q.

Sure, or you can see it from your asymptotes. If you clear the fractions to get a polynomial to solve and n is the number of terms, the polynomial has degree n if k is not zero and degree n-1 if k is zero. Now if you count the intersections of the graph with the line y=k you get n intersections if k is not zero and n-1 if k is zero. So the number of real roots is equal to the degree of the polynomial and there are no complex roots.
 
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Dick said:
Sure, or you can see it from your asymptotes. If you clear the fractions to get a polynomial to solve and n is the number of terms, the polynomial has degree n if k is not zero and degree n-1 if k is zero. Now if you count the intersections of the graph with the line y=k you get n intersections if k is not zero and n-1 if k is zero. So the number of real roots is equal to the degree of the polynomial and there are no complex roots.

I think that will be the quickest method to get the answer without writing anything.
 

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