Navier-stokes flow around a sphere

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The discussion revolves around finding the velocity profile of slow flow around a sphere using a stream function in spherical coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem, particularly focusing on the continuity equation and the representation of velocity in terms of the stream function.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the velocity profile using the stream function ##\psi = f(r,\theta)## and notes a discrepancy with a proposed velocity equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem is detailed in the book "Transport Phenomena" but acknowledges that it does not provide a derivation of the velocity profiles, only presenting them in a table.
  • A later reply indicates that the correct formulation may involve using ##\vec{V} = \nabla \times \frac{\psi}{r \sin \theta}## to simplify the algebra.
  • There is mention of boundary conditions being used in the context of the velocity profile, but the source of these conditions is not rigorously explained.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the velocity profile, and multiple approaches are discussed without resolution. There is uncertainty regarding the derivation and application of boundary conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the available resources, such as the lack of derivations in the referenced book and the challenges faced when transitioning from rectangular to spherical coordinates.

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hi pf!

basically, i am wondering how to find the velocity profile of slow flow around a sphere in terms of a stream function ##\psi = f(r,\theta)## where we are in spherical coordinates and ##\theta## is the angle with the ##z##-axis. (i think this is a classical problem).

i understand the situation like this: if we are trying to satisfy continuity then we have ##\nabla \cdot \vec{V} = 0##. thus, since we can describe the flow in two parameters ##r, \theta##, we say ##\vec{V} = \nabla \times \psi \hat{\phi}## where ##\hat{\phi}## is the phi unit vector. doing this in spherical coordinates gives me a different solution than the proposed ##\vec{V} = -\frac{1}{r^2 sin \theta} \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial \theta}\hat{r} + \frac{1}{r sin \theta} \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial r} \hat{\theta}##

can someone shed some light on this? thanks so much!
 
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joshmccraney said:
hi pf!

basically, i am wondering how to find the velocity profile of slow flow around a sphere in terms of a stream function ##\psi = f(r,\theta)## where we are in spherical coordinates and ##\theta## is the angle with the ##z##-axis. (i think this is a classical problem).

i understand the situation like this: if we are trying to satisfy continuity then we have ##\nabla \cdot \vec{V} = 0##. thus, since we can describe the flow in two parameters ##r, \theta##, we say ##\vec{V} = \nabla \times \psi \hat{\phi}## where ##\hat{\phi}## is the phi unit vector. doing this in spherical coordinates gives me a different solution than the proposed ##\vec{V} = -\frac{1}{r^2 sin \theta} \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial \theta}\hat{r} + \frac{1}{r sin \theta} \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial r} \hat{\theta}##

can someone shed some light on this? thanks so much!

This problem is solved in detail in Transport Phenomena, by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot. If you don't already have this book, Josh, you will find it highly worthwhile to get a copy.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
This problem is solved in detail in Transport Phenomena, by Bird, Stewart, and Lightfoot. If you don't already have this book, Josh, you will find it highly worthwhile to get a copy.

Chet

thanks for the fast response! i actually do have the book, but it is not showing a derivation of where they came up with the velocity profiles. they just present them in a table. i cross referenced this with other materials and the above approach seemed to work with rectangular coordinates, although i am having troubles with it in spherical coordinates.

do you have any suggestions here?

thanks!
 
nevermind, chet. after checking more sources it seems they are letting ##\vec{V} = \nabla \times \frac{\psi}{r \sin \theta}##. I'm assuming to make the algebra easier.

thanks again!
 
joshmccraney said:
thanks for the fast response! i actually do have the book, but it is not showing a derivation of where they came up with the velocity profiles. they just present them in a table. i cross referenced this with other materials and the above approach seemed to work with rectangular coordinates, although i am having troubles with it in spherical coordinates.

do you have any suggestions here?

thanks!
Chapter 4. Worked Example 4.2.1

Chet
 
Yea they definitely use the velocity here as boundary condition but they don't explain rigorously where the b.c. Comes from. But it's ok another source had it in full.
 

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