Navier Stokes thin film on infinite wall

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Navier-Stokes equations to analyze the flow of a thin film of oil falling down an infinite vertical wall. Participants are exploring the calculation of velocity and pressure fields in this context, with a focus on the implications of neglecting hydrostatic pressure changes in the surrounding air.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the conceptual reasoning behind why the dP/dz term is considered zero, linking it to the neglect of hydrostatic pressure changes in the surrounding air.
  • Another participant confirms that the air pressure is independent of z at the interface, leading to the conclusion that fluid pressure at the interface equals air pressure, implying pressure independence in the z-direction.
  • There is a discussion on the terminology, with participants questioning whether the "pressure field" and "pressure profile" are synonymous.
  • Participants discuss how to calculate the pressure profile, with one suggesting that the Navier-Stokes equations can provide both velocity and pressure distributions.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the conditions for the pressure profile, specifically whether dp/dx and dp/dz are both zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is some agreement on the interpretation of the pressure profile and the conditions under which it is considered constant, the discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the calculation methods and the implications of the assumptions made, particularly about the pressure field.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the neglect of hydrostatic pressure changes and the implications for the pressure profile. There is also a lack of consensus on the specific steps required to calculate the pressure field.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in fluid dynamics, particularly those studying the Navier-Stokes equations in the context of thin film flows and boundary conditions.

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Homework Statement


Consider steady, incompressible, parallel, laminar flow of a film of oil falling down an infinite vertical wall (Figure P-1). The oil film thickness is “h” and gravity acts in the negative Z-direction (downward on the figure). There is no applied pressure driving the flow – the oil falls by gravity alone. Calculate the velocity and pressure fields in the oil film and sketch the normalized velocity profile. Neglect hydrostatic pressure changes in the surrounding air.


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Hello,

I wanted to check if I am doing my Navier-Stokes correctly. Also, why is the dP/dz term zero conceptually? Does that have to do with the last statement ''Neglect hydrostatic pressure changes in the surrounding air''?

Also, I do not know how to calculate the ''pressure field''. First of all, is this the pressure profile, just to understand that the names are synonymous. Secondly, how would I go about calculating a pressure profile? From what I recall, all I remember Navier-Stokes doing is calculating velocity profiles.
 

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I'm still confused about how to go about solving the pressure profile. How do I do that?
 
Maylis said:

Hello,

I wanted to check if I am doing my Navier-Stokes correctly.

Yes. Nice job.

Also, why is the dP/dz term zero conceptually? Does that have to do with the last statement ''Neglect hydrostatic pressure changes in the surrounding air''?

Yes. The air pressure is independent of z at the interface. The normal stress at the interface between the air and the liquid has to be continuous, so, it follows from this that the fluid pressure at the interface is equal to the air pressure. Thus, at the interface at least, the fluid pressure is not varying with z. From the force balance in the x direction, the derivative of pressure with respect to x is also zero. So the pressure is also independent of x. So, throughout the falling film, the fluid pressure is equal to the air pressure.
Also, I do not know how to calculate the ''pressure field''. First of all, is this the pressure profile, just to understand that the names are synonymous.
The pressure field is the pressure expressed as a function of x and z.
Secondly, how would I go about calculating a pressure profile? From what I recall, all I remember Navier-Stokes doing is calculating velocity profiles.
We showed above how we can establish the pressure field for this problem. Basically, you need to consider how the stresses are varying. But, in addition to providing the velocity field, the Navier Stokes equations are also capable of delivering the pressure distribution.

Chet
 
So that means the pressure profile is dp/dx = 0 and dp/dz = 0?
 
Maylis said:
So that means the pressure profile is dp/dx = 0 and dp/dz = 0?
Yes.
 

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