Near Light Speed Runner: Will We See the Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario involving a runner moving towards a mirror at a significant distance while a light source is activated. Participants explore the implications of this scenario in the context of relativity, time measurement, and the effects of near-light-speed travel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the friend would measure 20 seconds for the light to return, while the runner would measure a shorter time due to relativistic effects, referencing the twin paradox.
  • Others suggest that the runner's speed may not be as close to light speed as initially interpreted, leading to different implications for the scenario.
  • One participant proposes that the light will reach the runner before it returns to the friend, indicating a difference in time experienced by each observer.
  • There is mention of using Lorentz transformations for calculations, with suggestions to simplify the problem by using light-seconds as a unit of distance.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the original poster's intent, questioning whether the runner is indeed moving at near-light speed or at a normal speed.
  • Discussions include considerations of the relativity of simultaneity and the effects of acceleration on the runner's experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the runner's speed or the implications of the scenario. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the runner's speed and the resulting time measurements.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the runner's speed, the nature of the light source, and the effects of acceleration, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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hello,
i am a near light runner
at 3000000 km from us there is a mirror
to start the run , my friend turns on a very powerful lamp and i start running toward the mirror
me and my friend will see both the light coming back after 20 seconds?
 
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lovicodo said:
hello,
i am a near light runner
at 3000000 km from us there is a mirror
to start the run , my friend turns on a very powerful lamp and i start running toward the mirror
me and my friend will see both the light coming back after 20 seconds?

Are you able to do any of the calculations yourself?
 
Your friend would measure 20 seconds with his clock, you would measure a shorter time on your clock. See the twin paradox for more explanation.

More realistically, you would die due to acceleration when you were trying to change directions near instantaneously when you reach the mirror.
 
Matterwave said:
Your friend would measure 20 seconds with his clock, you would measure a shorter time on your clock. See the twin paradox for more explanation.

More realistically, you would die due to acceleration when you were trying to change directions near instantaneously when you reach the mirror.

I think the runner is only running at normal speed.
 
PeroK said:
I think the runner is only running at normal speed.

Oh, I interpreted the "i am a near light runner" and the title of "near light speed runner" to mean the OP is running at nearly light speed. o.o
 
lovicodo said:
hello,
i am a near light runner
at 3000000 km from us there is a mirror
to start the run , my friend turns on a very powerful lamp and i start running toward the mirror
me and my friend will see both the light coming back after 20 seconds?
You start off standing next to the light source, and start running when it is turned on? I'm assuming yes.

Assuming that we're using a clock that is not moving relative to your friend, the light source, and the mirror... the light will get back to the friend in 20 seconds. You, however, will be very close to the mirror when the light reaches it and is reflected, so the light will pass you on its return well before it reaches your friend. Thus, that clock will read less than 20 seconds when the light passes you.

Or we could use your wristwatch or some other clock that is at rest relative to you, and analyze the problem as if you are not moving but your friend, the light source and the mirror are (the mirror is in front of you and moving closer, the light source and your friend started where you were but are now behind you and moving away). The distance traveled by the light on the round trip to the mirror and back to you is just twice the distance between you and the moving mirror at the moment when the light reaches it - but that distance has to be calculated using the frame in which you are at rest so the starting distance is not 300000 km.

You should definitely take the hint from @PeroK and try the calculations yourself. You'll want to use the Lorentz transformations, and you simplify things a bit by using light-seconds instead of kilometers as the unit of distance (so ##c=1.0##) and take the running speed to be 4/5 (that is, .8c) as that simplifies the arithmetic considerably.
 
Matterwave said:
Oh, I interpreted the "i am a near light runner" and the title of "near light speed runner" to mean the OP is running at nearly light speed. o.o
I'm interpreting that way as well. Perhaps the original poster can clarify?

In any case, there's no twin paradox if the runner is running towards the mirror and not turning around themselves. There are, however, other relativity of simultaneity considerations.
 
Nugatory said:
I'm interpreting that way as well. Perhaps the original poster can clarify?

In any case, there's no twin paradox if the runner is running towards the mirror and not turning around themselves. There are, however, other relativity of simultaneity considerations.

Ah yeah, I think there some errors in my interpretation as well. I thought OP was asking like OP is racing the light so OP would have to return to the starting point as well.
 

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