Necessary classes before graduate school

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The discussion centers on essential coursework for students in dual degree programs in Electrical Engineering (EE) and Physics preparing for graduate school. Participants emphasize the importance of taking Physics Department courses in Electromagnetism (E&M) rather than those offered through the EE department, as the latter may lack critical topics such as potential formulation and conservation laws. Additionally, while some contributors suggest studying abstract algebra for a deeper understanding of group theory in graduate courses, others argue it is not necessary for success in qualifying exams. The consensus is to prioritize Physics E&M courses and consider independent study of group theory if time permits.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Electromagnetism (E&M) concepts
  • Familiarity with Quantum Mechanics (QM) and Classical Mechanics (CM)
  • Basic knowledge of group theory
  • Awareness of the Physics GRE requirements
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the curriculum of Physics Department E&M courses
  • Study group theory independently to aid in understanding advanced topics
  • Consult with an EE advisor about course substitutions
  • Review resources on the Physics GRE to identify key topics
USEFUL FOR

Students in dual degree programs in Electrical Engineering and Physics, prospective graduate students preparing for qualifying exams, and anyone seeking to strengthen their understanding of E&M and group theory in the context of advanced physics studies.

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I've been reading ZapperZ's thread "I have so-and-so degree, can I get into Physics?", and I've been thinking what classes I should definitely take so that the qualifier doesn't kick me out of graduate school.

I'm in a EE and physics dual degree program, which doesn't require as many physics classes as physics majors. My current plan is to cover up to 2 semesters of QM and CM. Through the Engineering dept, I will have covered 2 semesters of EM, solid state, and other general EE courses. Are there any other necessary courses or independent studying I should do, so that I do well on the physics gre and the qualifier?
 
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Based on my own experiences, make sure you have some abstract algebra in there too. It couldn't hurt to study some group theory on your own. If you're going experimental they won't help you too much down the road, but they may help with your classes.
 
Er... abstract algebra? For preparation for the qualifying exam??! Which school is this?

Zz.
 
I would take the Physics Department E&M courses, not the ones thru the EE department. I have seen your situation in the past and the students seem to do OK until they get to the graduate courses in E&M, then they have real problems.
 
Okay. So no abstract algebra?

If E&M is that serious, I'll study it on my own. But I don't have time to formally retake two classes. Or maybe I'll just sit-in on the courses.
 
you can talk to your EE advisor about replacing EE's E&M with Physic's E&M. I didn't realize that at my school and ended up taking E&M from EE. I would suggest taking E&M from physics. EE will not cover some essential/useful topics, just maxwell's equations and applications. for example, my EE E&M class did not cover potential formulation and conservation laws.
 
brentd49 said:
Okay. So no abstract algebra?
If E&M is that serious, I'll study it on my own. But I don't have time to formally retake two classes. Or maybe I'll just sit-in on the courses.
Yeah, I definitely would not bother with abstract algebra, unless your a masochist :-p
 
ZapperZ said:
Er... abstract algebra? For preparation for the qualifying exam??! Which school is this?

I suspect that WMGoBuffs responded to the title of the thread without thoroughly reading brentd49's first post. WMGoBuffs does make a good point, though. Some people need (and some don't) a course in a abstract algebra in order to understand some of the group theory concepts presented in graduate particle and quantum field theory courses.

Recently, someone started posting in PF looking for lots of help with group theory and representation theory. Even though an introductory abstract algebra course covers neither Lie groups nor representation theory, I don't think this person would be having nearly as many problems if he/she had taken an abstract algebra course.

Regards,
George
 

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