Necessity for action to be a Lorentz scalar

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The discussion centers on the necessity for the action integral in special relativity to be a Lorentz scalar, as stated by Jackson in his textbook. While it is agreed that a Lorentz scalar action ensures the same equations of motion across different frames, the necessity of this condition is questioned. It is argued that the action could vary between frames yet still yield the same equations of motion, challenging Jackson's implication of necessity. An example involving electromagnetic potentials demonstrates that the action can lack Lorentz invariance while still producing invariant equations of motion. The conclusion emphasizes that only the variation of the action needs to be invariant for the equations of motion to remain consistent across frames.
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Hello,

On p.573 of Jackson 2nd Ed. (section 12.1), he says, "From the first postulate of special relativity the action integral must be a Lorentz scalar because the equations of motion are determined by the extremum condition, \delta A=0."

I agree that if the action is a Lorentz scalar, then that is sufficient to assure that the equations of motion are the same in all frames: Lorentz scalar, so Lorentz invariant, so action is minimized in all frames when it is minimized in one frame, since it is the same in all frames as it is in that one frame.

However, Jackson seems to imply not only that it is sufficient, but that it is necessary as well. I do not see why this is the case - it seems that the action could vary from frame to frame, but still be minimized in all frames, resulting in the same equation of motion in all frames.

Is inter-frame invariance of the action necessary, and if so why?

Thanks very much for any help that you can give.

-HJ Farnsworth
 
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You are completely right! In order for the equations of motion to be invariant around the stationary point, not the action itself must be invariant but only its variation.

Example: Take the electromagnetic potentials in Coulomb gauge and write down the corresponding action by working in the constraint with a Lagrange multiplier. This action is not Lorentz invariant, but the equations of motion, Maxwell's equations, are!
 
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