Need a confirmation. Bernoulli.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of Bernoulli's principle to a fluid flow scenario involving an orifice and pressure changes. Participants explore the implications of ideal flow, stagnation pressure, and energy losses due to viscous dissipation in a pipeline discharging into a reservoir.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that there is a loss of stagnation pressure as the flow passes through the orifice, while others argue that pressure remains constant, leading to confusion over which type of pressure (static or total) is being referenced.
  • One participant emphasizes that the static pressure at the exit of the orifice must equal atmospheric pressure (Pa) for the flow to fully expand.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of Bernoulli's equation, suggesting that energy loss due to viscous dissipation is significant between certain sections of the flow.
  • There is a discussion about the boundary conditions affecting pressure, with some participants noting that the static pressure at the outlet of the pipe is equal to atmospheric pressure.
  • One participant introduces the concept of experimental coefficients for pressure loss, indicating that these coefficients account for viscous dissipation and turbulence.
  • Another participant discusses the limitations of Bernoulli's equation, stating that energy is not conserved in a fluid moving through a pipe, particularly in the presence of orifices.
  • There is mention of different flow scenarios, such as laminar flow and the effects of turbulence, which may influence pressure changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of Bernoulli's principle and the behavior of pressure in the described flow scenario. There is no consensus on whether total pressure is conserved or lost, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of viscous dissipation on pressure changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of boundary conditions and the assumptions made regarding ideal flow. The discussion also touches on the limitations of Bernoulli's equation in practical applications, particularly in the presence of energy losses.

  • #31
Q_Goest said:
I'm not stubborn, I've been doing this for so long I don't need to think about it any more.

Your experience is not a seal of guarantee. My father is 61 years and he keeps on being wrong in some things.

I must say the truth, and the truth is that the phrase "Bernoulli with losses" DOESN'T REPRESENT THE BERNOULLI EQUATION, BECAUSE BERNOULLI EQUATION DOES NOT CALCULATE ANY LOSS, BECAUSE BERNOULLI EQUATION STATES THE CONSERVATION OF STAGNATION PRESSURE. The fact of calling Bernoulli to an equation which APPARENTLY is similar to Bernoulli is a MISCONCEPTION, no matter how long have you been calling it Bernoulli.
 
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For those interested, I have simulated the original problem in Fluent 6.0. I have attached the Total Pressure Contours. Red color means highest total pressure and blue color the lowest one. The computational mesh is axisymmetric, so the lowest line is a symmetry axe.
 

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