Need a lot of help with vector fields/vector operators

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The discussion revolves around understanding vector fields and vector operators, specifically the curl and divergence operations in the context of a given function and vector field. Participants are exploring the implications of terms like "fixed, but arbitrary function" and "fixed, but arbitrary vector field" as they relate to the nature of these operators.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the meaning of "fixed" functions and vector fields, questioning whether these terms imply constancy. They express confusion about the nature of the curl and divergence operations and their results.

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Some participants provide clarifications regarding the definitions of fixed functions and the specific outcomes of vector operations, noting that the curl of a gradient results in the zero vector and the divergence of a curl yields a scalar zero. Others raise additional questions about the notation used in integrals and the implications of differentials in the context of vector calculus.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the depth of exploration into the problem. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions related to the definitions and properties of vector operators.

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Homework Statement



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If it'll help you guys help me understand this, here are the solutions:
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Homework Equations



\text{curl}\bold{F} = \nabla \times \bold{F}
\text{div}(\bold{F}) = \nabla \cdot \bold{F}

The Attempt at a Solution



My problem is that I don't understand what is meant by a "fixed, but arbitrary function" or a "fixed, but arbitrary vector field." Is a fixed function one that is constant? ie g(x,y,z) = 2 Is a fixed vector fixed a constant one, like \bold{F}(x,y,z) = 2\hat{i} + 3\hat{j} - 5\hat{k}?

My problem is that I'm not really understanding the nature of these vector operators. I have the solution and it says:

\text{curl} \nabla g is a constant vector whereas
\text{curl} \bold{F} is a vector field

How is it possible that they are not both vector fields. Same with this:

\text{div} (\text{curl} \bold{F}) is a constant scalar whereas
\text{div} (\bold{v} \times \bold{F}) is a scalar function...

How are these not both scalar functions?
 
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=No, a "fixed" function is just a "given" one- for the purposes of this problem you are talking about a specific ("fixed") function.

For g a scalar function, you can say more than just that "curl \nabla g vis a constant function"- it is a very specific constant!

If g(x,y,z) is a real valued function, then
\nabla g= \frac{\partial g}{\partial x}\vec{i}+ \frac{\partial g}{\partial y}\vec{j}+ \frac{\partial g}{\partial z}\vec{k}.

And so
curl \nabla g= \nabla\times\nabla g= \left|\begin{array}{ccc}\vec{i} & \vec{j} & \vec{k} \\ \frac{\partial }{\partial x} & \frac{\partial}{\partial y} & \frac{\partial}{\partial z} \\ \frac{\partial g}{\partial x} & \frac{\partial g}{\partial y} & \frac{\partial g}{\partial z}\end{array}\right|

Now what is that?
(Assuming that g has continuous second derivatives.)
 
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OH. I completely forgot my rules. The curl of a gradient is a the zero vector and the divergence of the curl is the scalar 0. Thanks.

Also, for the very last integral, does that not not exist because d\bold{s} denotes a line integral, but since there are two integral symbols, it doesn't mean anything? Or is it because there is not dot product between \nabla g and the differential d\bold{s}?
 
It should be dS, the differential of surface area, not ds, the differential or arc length.
 

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