Need guidance on my proof of limit.

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the sequence \( \lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} { (1 + 1/(2n))^n } = \sqrt{e} \). The original poster is allowed to assume the limit \( \lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} { (1 + 1/n )^n} = e \) but cannot use certain theorems related to limits.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to show that the sequence is increasing and bounded, suggesting that the limit exists. They express uncertainty about their argument's validity and seek clarification on the relevance of a lemma they introduced. Other participants question the assumptions made, particularly regarding bounding the difference between the sequences and the implications of the lemma.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, raising questions about the validity of certain steps and the relevance of specific limits. There is a focus on clarifying the connections between the sequences and the limits involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is working under specific constraints regarding the use of limits and theorems, which may affect their approach to establishing the desired limit. The discussion reflects a need to navigate these constraints while exploring different methods of proof.

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Homework Statement


Show that lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} { (1 + 1/(2n))^n } = \sqrt{e}.

Homework Equations


I am allowed to assume * lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} { (1 + 1/n )^n} = e.
I am not allowed to use the theorem that asserts lim_{n\rightarrow n_0} {\sqrt{S_n}} = (lim_{n\rightarrow n_0} {S_n})^{1/2}.

The Attempt at a Solution



I want to show that the sequence is increasing and bounded, and therefore the lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} { (1 + 1/(2n))^n } exists. Let's suppose I have show the sequence is increasing by comparing S_k and S_{k+1} and showing \forall k, S_k < S_{k+1}. Let's also suppose I know that 2 is an upper bound for S_n. Then I want to show \forall \epsilon >0 \exists N such that \forall n > N, | (1 + 1/(2n) )^n - \sqrt{e} | < \epsilon.

Does this argument work?

Lemma: \forall \epsilon > 0 \exists N_0 such that \forall n > N_0, |2 + 1/n - 2| < \epsilon. That is, lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} {(2 + 1/n)} = 2.

\forall n | ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n - \sqrt{e} | < |1/n|. Since \forall n, 1/n > 0, then |1/n| = 1/n. By our lemma, we know |1/n| = 1/n < \epsilon. Choose an n > 1/ \epsilon. Then | ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n - \sqrt{e} | < \epsilon and therefore lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} { (1 + 1/(2n))^n } = \sqrt{e}.

I was originally trying to use * with the definition of a limit to show | ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n - \sqrt{e} | < | ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n - e | < \epsilon but I couldn't figure out how to determine N.
 
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It's not clear to me what the relevance of the lemma is to picking your value of n (why can't you just pick n larger than one over epsilon without looking at a different limit?), or why <br /> \forall n | ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n - \sqrt{e} | &lt; |1/n|<br /> is true.
<br /> | ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n - \sqrt{e} | &lt; | ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n - e | &lt; \epsilon <br />

This middle term in the inequality is going to fairly large (in the analysis sense) when n is large. We know ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n is going to be close to \sqrt{e}, so it can't be close to e as well. However, at some point you are going to need to use the limit that gives e, or some alternative definition of e
 
It's not clear to me what the relevance of the lemma is to picking your value of n (why can't you just pick n larger than one over epsilon without looking at a different limit?), or why \forall n | ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n - \sqrt{e} | &lt; |1/n| is true.

I added the lemma to use the fact I knew the limit of the 2+1/n was 2, and to bound the difference |(1 + 1/(2n))^n - \sqrt{e}| &lt; |1/n| for all n (n is of course restricted to naturals, and this doesn't include zero). So my reasoning was after establishing the above inequality, to use the lemma to argue I can find an n>N such that |1/n| = 1/n &lt; \epsilon. That such n being any integer &gt; 1/\epsilon. Therefore if n &gt; 1/\epsilon, then |(1 + 1/(2n))^n - \sqrt{e}| &lt; \epsilon. Does this make sense?

This middle term in the inequality is going to fairly large (in the analysis sense) when n is large. We know ( 1 + 1/(2n) )^n is going to be close to \sqrt{e} , so it can't be close to e as well. However, at some point you are going to need to use the limit that gives e, or some alternative definition of e

Sorry, I meant to say: |(1 + 1/(2n)^n - \sqrt{e}| < |(1+1/n)^n - e|. Then using the fact I that I knew \forall \epsilon there was some N such that whenever n>N, I was trying to argue |(1+1/n)^n - e| &lt; \epsilon. The main problem I had was deriving an explicit N from the inequality above. That is why I choose to bound the difference |(1 + 1/(2n)^n - \sqrt{e}| by 1/n instead.
 
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Here is an idea that I just thought of using the fact that I may assume * \lim_{n/rightarrow +/infty} {(1+1/n)^n}=e. I am not sure if it is considered "rigorous" enough. Here it is:

I may use the fact that ** if S_n, T_n are sequences, and \lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} {S_n} =A, \lim_{n\rightarrow} {T_n} = B. Then \lim_{n\rightarrow} {S_n T_n} = AB.

Suppose * and let m=2n. Then \lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} {(1 + 1/n)^n} = \lim_{m\rightarrow +\infty} {(1+1/(2m))^{2m} (Here I am making the argument that as n\rightarrow +\infty, 2m\rightarrow +\infty and hence m\rightarrow +\infty). By **, \lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} {(1+1/(2m)^m (1+1/(2m))^m } = \lim_{m\rightarrow +\infty} {(1+1/(2m))^m} \lim_{m\rightarrow +\infty} {(1+1/(2m))^m = e. Then \lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} {(1+1/(2m))^m } = \sqrt{e}.
 

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