Need help finding inverse transformation for Jacobian

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The problem involves evaluating a double integral over a plane region defined by specific boundaries using a substitution involving the variables u and v. The original poster is attempting to find the inverse transformation for the Jacobian related to the substitutions u=xy and v=x^2-y^2.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive explicit equations for x and y in terms of u and v but expresses difficulty in doing so. They share their progress with equations derived from the substitutions.
  • Some participants suggest that it may not be necessary to express x and y explicitly, but rather to find x^2+y^2 in terms of u and v.
  • Questions arise regarding the calculation of the Jacobian and the necessity of having x(u,v) and y(u,v) for this process.
  • Another participant proposes calculating the Jacobian from the functions u(x,y) and v(x,y) instead.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the need to evaluate the integral and the relationships between the variables involved. The original poster expresses frustration over the complexity of finding the inverse transformation.

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Homework Statement


Suppose R is a plane region bounded by xy=1, xy=3, x^2-y^2=1, x^2-y^2= 4. Use the substitution u=xy, v=x^2-y^2 to evaluate

[tex]I = \iint\limts_R \, (x^2+y^2) dx\,dy[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the substitutions given, I find R` = { (u,v) | u for all [1,3] ; v for all [1,4] }

So after this, it would seem I need to find the inverse transformation so I can make an appropriate substitution for the integrand and evaluate the jacobian so I can integrate over R`. However, I am having difficulties finding an explicit equation for both x and y in terms u and v. Here's what I've managed to do so far although its ultimately nothing... :(

Squaring both sides of the equations relating u and v to x, y, I find:

(I) [tex]u^2 = x^2y^2[/tex]
(II) [tex]v^2 = x^4 - 2x^2y^2+y^4[/tex]

Adding equations (I) + (II) I find:

(III) [tex]v^2 + 2u^2 = x^4 +y^4[/tex]

Dividing (II)/(I) equations I find:

(IV) [tex]\frac{v^2}{u^2}\right) +2 = \frac{x^4+y^4}{x^2y^2}[/tex]

And dividing equations (IV)/(III) I ultimately find:

[tex]x^4+y^4=2(\frac{u^2v^2+2u^4}{v^2+2u^2}\right) )+ v^2[/tex]

So as I said above, I really managed to find nothing at all. I've been fiddling around with both equations for a while now in hopes of finding a desirable "form" to be able to explicitly define both x and y in terms of u and v, but I am totally stumped... Any advice or ideas would be much appreciated. :)

Thanks
 
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What's v^2+4*u^2? You don't have to express x and y in terms of u and v. You just have to express x^2+y^2 in terms of u and v.
 
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So then how should I calculate the jacobian? I thought you needed x(u,v), y(u,v) to do so.
 
You can get that jacobian by calculating the jacobian of u(x,y) and v(x,y) and inverting it. Can't you?
 

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