Need help solving Doppler Effect with sound question

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the Doppler Effect related to sound, specifically calculating the speed of an ambulance based on frequency changes as it approaches and then passes a moving observer. The original poster presents a scenario with given frequencies and speeds, seeking to determine the ambulance's speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the Doppler Effect equation to find the speed of the ambulance, but questions arise regarding the application of relative velocities and the correct setup of the equation. Some participants suggest considering the movement relative to the air and applying the equation in two steps.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the application of the Doppler Effect equation, with some guidance provided on how to approach the problem relative to the air. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct method to apply the equation, and while one participant claims to have arrived at a solution, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of that solution.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of the Doppler Effect equation and the assumptions about relative motion. The original poster's calculations led to a result that did not match the provided answer choices, prompting further discussion on the methodology.

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Homework Statement


As you drive at a speed of 15.0 m/s an ambulance approaches you from behind with its siren blaring at a frequency of 1022 Hz. After the ambulance has passed you the signal is now 981 Hz. If both you and the ambulance travel at a constant speed how fast was the ambulance traveling?

A. 16.0 m/s
B. 18.0 m/s
C. 20.0 m/s
D. 22.0 m/s
E. 24.0 m/s

Homework Equations


f0=fs(1/(1+vs/v))

The Attempt at a Solution


I figured I could use the ambulance's speed relative to the car, so I used the above equation for when a source is moving away from a stationary observer. I plugged in all the variables an solved for vs. I ended up getting vs being equal to 14.33. I then assumed since the speed was calculated with the car having a speed of 0 m/s, I simply added the speed of the car. That got me 29.33 m/s, which doesn't happen to be an answer choice. What am I doing wrong? Thank you so much!
 
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Doppler effect of sound does not depend on the relative velocities alone, you cannot find the relative velocity without taking into account that you move relative to the air.
 
So which equation would I use?
 
You can still use this equation, but you have to apply it first to the ambulance (relative to the air) and then to you (relative to their air).
 
how do you apply it relative to the air?
 
Okay so I did this, and got 22 m/s. Is this correct?

Sorry for the messy handwriting
 

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isn't the original equation fo=fs(1+- vo/v)/(1+-vs/v)
 
hopelessphysics said:
isn't the original equation fo=fs(1+- vo/v)/(1+-vs/v)
That's both steps (ambulance and our car) combined, yes.

22m/s is correct.
 
Thank you so much!
 

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