Need help w/ Fibonnaci and Golden Ratio proof

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between Fibonacci numbers and the Golden Ratio, specifically exploring proofs and properties related to their convergence. Participants are examining mathematical expressions and attempting to derive or clarify the connection between these concepts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an inequality involving successive Fibonacci numbers and the Golden Ratio, suggesting a limit on their difference.
  • Another participant suggests using the formula for the nth Fibonacci number as a potential approach to the problem.
  • A different participant expresses frustration, indicating that attempts to simplify the problem have not yielded different results.
  • Another participant provides the explicit formula for the nth Fibonacci number and proposes manipulating it to explore the relationship with the Golden Ratio, questioning the behavior of the equation as n increases.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of the formula for the first three Fibonacci numbers, indicating that the formula may not hold in those cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus, as there are multiple competing views on how to approach the proof and the validity of certain expressions. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of the Fibonacci sequence and the application of the Golden Ratio are not fully explored. The limitations of the formula for small values of n are noted, but not resolved.

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Let F_n and F_n+1 be successive Fibonnaci numbers. Then |(F_n+1)/(F_n) - Phi | < 1/(2(F_n)^2)

Where Phi is the Golden ratio.
 
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Just use the formula for nth fibonacci number.
 
It's not that simple. I tried fracturing it many times but every time it just seem to leave to the same result.
 
Remember that the nth Fibonacci number is:

[tex]F_n = \frac {1} {\sqrt{5}} \left [ \phi^n - \left ( \frac {-1}{\phi}\right)^n\right][/tex]

and you can multiply Fn2 through your equation:

[tex]\left | F_{n+1} \times F_{n} - \phi \times F^2_n \right | < \frac {1}{2}[/tex]

What happens when you set the whole equation to terms of [itex]\phi[/itex]?

Note that for the first 3 Fibonacci numbers: 0,1,1 the formula doesn't work. Additionally, as we get deeper into the Fibonacci sequence, [itex]F_n[/itex] as [itex]n \to \infty[/itex], what does [itex]\left | F_{n+1} \times F_{n} - \phi \times F^2_n \right |[/itex] approach? hint: you might see the value first for a specific very low n
 
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