Need help with finding Work from given force and distance components

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To find the work done by the force on the particle, the user initially calculated the magnitudes of force and displacement, resulting in 8.9442 N and 5.099 m, respectively. However, the user incorrectly determined the angle theta using the tangent function, which led to an incorrect work calculation. A more accurate approach involves using the dot product of the force and displacement vectors to find the work directly. The angle should be calculated between the two vectors, not with respect to the x-axis. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding vector operations in solving physics problems effectively.
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Homework Statement


A force ~F = Fx ˆı+Fy ˆ acts on a particle that
undergoes a displacement of ~s = sx ˆı + sy ˆ
where Fx = 8 N, Fy = −4 N, sx = 5 m, and sy = 1 m.
Find the work done by the force on the
particle.
Answer in units of J.

Homework Equations


x^2 + y^2 = z^2
Work = (Force)(Distance)(cos(theta))

The Attempt at a Solution


I found the magnitude of Force by squaring each component
F = (8)^2 + (-4)^2 = 8.9442N
I found the magnitude of Distance by squaring each component
F = (5)^2 + (1)^2 = 5.099m
I then created a triangle to find theta, using distance for my triangle sides.
tan(theta) = 1/5 so theta = inverse tan(1/5). I then got a theta of 11.310.
I plugged my force, distance and theta into the Work formula but I'm not getting the right answer.
W = (8.9442N)(5.099)(cos(11.310))
W = 44.721 Joules

THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG. PLEASE HELP ME.

Homework Statement


Find the angle between ~F and ~s.
Answer in units of ◦.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi yang09! Welcome to PF! :smile:
(have a theta: θ and try using the X2 and X2 tags just above the Reply box :wink:)
yang09 said:
Work = (Force)(Distance)(cos(theta))

Work also = Force "dot" Distance, which is the easiest way to do it if you have the coordinates.

So what is (8,-4)·(5,1) ? :smile:
 
Thanks for the tips but what do you mean by:
What is (8,-4)·(5,1) ?
Do you want me to multiply them together or what? Or are you asking me what they stand for because the 8 is the x-component of force, -4 is the y-component of force, 5 is the x-component of distance, and 1 is the y-component of distance.
I'm pretty sure my magnitude is right, but am I doing something wrong with my θ?
 
Hi yang09! :smile:
yang09 said:
Thanks for the tips but what do you mean by:
What is (8,-4)·(5,1) ?

I meant the "dot" product of two vectors (also called the "scalar product" or the "inner product"), where you multiply the components and then add.

Have you learned about that?
… am I doing something wrong with my θ?

Yes, your θ is tan-1(1/5), but that is the angle between (5,1) and the x-axis: you need the angle between (5,1) and (8,-4).
 
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