The vector sum of the electric forces exerted on a particle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the vector sum of electric forces acting on a charged particle in a Cartesian coordinate system. The problem involves three particles with specified charges and positions, focusing on the interactions between them.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations of distances and forces, questioning the correctness of the final answer. There is an emphasis on keeping calculations algebraic rather than numerical until the end. Some participants suggest that avoiding angle calculations may simplify the process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback and identifying potential mistakes in the calculations. One participant has recognized a subtle error regarding the units of charge for particle 3, which has contributed to the confusion.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need to clarify the units of charge, as particle 3's charge is given in microcoulombs rather than nanocoulombs, which may affect the calculations significantly.

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Homework Statement
Two particles are located on the x axis of a Cartesian coordinate system. Particle 1 carries a charge of +3.0 nC and is at x = -30 mm and particle 2 carries a charge of -3.0 nC and is at x = 30 mm . Particle 3, which carries a charge of +5.0 μC , is located on the positive y axis 90 mm from the origin. What is the magnitude of the vector sum of the electric forces exerted on particle 3?
Relevant Equations
F = k(Q1Q2/r^2)
c = sqrt(a^2+b^2)
r_{13}=r_{23}=\sqrt{(30*10^{-3})^2+(90*10^{-3})^2}=\sqrt{9*10^{-3}}\\<br /> F^E_{13}=F^E_{23}=9E9\cdot\frac{5*10^{-9}\cdot3*10^{-9}}{9*10^{-3}}=1.5*10^{-5}\\<br /> \theta=tan^{-1}(\frac{90*10^{-3}}{30*10^{-3}})=71.565\,degrees\\<br /> \vec{F}^E_{13}=&lt;F^E_{13}cos\theta, F^E_{13}sin\theta&gt; = &lt;4.743*10^{-6}, 1.423*10^{-5}&gt;\\<br /> \vec{F}^E_{23}=&lt;F^E_{23}cos(-\theta), F^E_{23}sin(-\theta)&gt; = &lt;4.743*10^{-6}, -1.423*10^{-5}&gt;\\<br />
Because particle 3 is positively charged, particle 1 is positively charged, and particle 2 is negatively charged, and the magnitude of the force by 1 on 3 is the same as magnitude of the force by 2 on 3, the vertical components of the force should cancel out, while the horizontal components should be additive, so my final answer was
F=2*(4.743*10^{-6})=9.487*10^{-6}
But this is incorrect. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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msw1 said:
Homework Statement:: Two particles are located on the x-axis of a Cartesian coordinate system. Particle 1 carries a charge of +3.0 nC and is at x = -30 mm and particle 2 carries a charge of -3.0 nC and is at x = 30 mm . Particle 3, which carries a charge of +5.0 μC , is located on the positive y-axis 90 mm from the origin. What is the magnitude of the vector sum of the electric forces exerted on particle 3?
Relevant Equations:: F = k(Q1Q2/r^2)
c = sqrt(a^2+b^2)

r_{13}=r_{23}=\sqrt{(30*10^{-3})^2+(90*10^{-3})^2}=\sqrt{9*10^{-3}}\\<br /> F^E_{13}=F^E_{23}=9E9\cdot\frac{5*10^{-9}\cdot3*10^{-9}}{9*10^{-3}}=1.5*10^{-5}\\<br /> \theta=tan^{-1}(\frac{90*10^{-3}}{30*10^{-3}})=71.565\,degrees\\<br /> \vec{F}^E_{13}=&lt;F^E_{13}cos\theta, F^E_{13}sin\theta&gt; = &lt;4.743*10^{-6}, 1.423*10^{-5}&gt;\\<br /> \vec{F}^E_{23}=&lt;F^E_{23}cos(-\theta), F^E_{23}sin(-\theta)&gt; = &lt;4.743*10^{-6}, -1.423*10^{-5}&gt;\\<br />
Because particle 3 is positively charged, particle 1 is positively charged, and particle 2 is negatively charged, and the magnitude of the force by 1 on 3 is the same as magnitude of the force by 2 on 3, the vertical components of the force should cancel out, while the horizontal components should be additive, so my final answer was
F=2*(4.743*10^{-6})=9.487*10^{-6}
But this is incorrect. Any help would be appreciated.
I get the same as you do. Do you know what the answer is claimed to be?

But it is much better to keep everything algebraic and avoid plugging in numbers until the final step. Many advantages, one of which is a better strike rate on getting help on this forum!

You can avoid finding the angle. You had to find the distance anyway, so the cos and sin values can be had by simple division.
 
haruspex said:
I get the same as you do. Do you know what the answer is claimed to be?

But it is much better to keep everything algebraic and avoid plugging in numbers until the final step. Many advantages, one of which is a better strike rate on getting help on this forum!

You can avoid finding the angle. You had to find the distance anyway, so the cos and sin values can be had by simple division.
Thanks for the feedback! I found my mistake. It was very subtle. The charge of particle 3 is given in microcoulombs, not nanocoulombs. Very annoying!
 
msw1 said:
Thanks for the feedback! I found my mistake. It was very subtle. The charge of particle 3 is given in microcoulombs, not nanocoulombs. Very annoying!
Well spotted.
 

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