Need help with Gravitational Constant (G)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the gravitational constant (G) and its application in calculating the Schwarzschild radius. Participants explore the implications of G's units, its role in gravitational equations, and how to apply these concepts to specific examples, particularly concerning Earth.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the units of G (m3 kg-1 s-2) and how they relate to the Schwarzschild radius calculation.
  • Another participant explains that G is expressed in SI units, where length is in meters, mass in kilograms, and time in seconds, and that using these units will yield the Schwarzschild radius in meters.
  • A participant discusses the derivation of G's dimensions from Newton's law of gravitation and confirms that G has dimensions of L3/M T2.
  • There is a request for guidance on how to substitute values into the Schwarzschild radius formula, specifically asking how to use G and what it means in practical terms.
  • Another participant provides the value of G to be used in calculations and corrects a misunderstanding regarding the value of c2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of G and the Schwarzschild radius formula. While some provide clarifications and corrections, there is no consensus on the complete understanding of the concepts discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the Schwarzschild radius and the relationship between distance from a mass and gravitational effects. There are also unresolved questions about how to properly apply the units in calculations.

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With this formula, you should apparently be able to work out the schwarzschild radius with 2GM over c^2

but it shows the gravitational constant on google being:

G = 6.67300 × 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2

Can someone please explain this to me? - Because then I would be able to work out the schwarzschild radius and thus then I would be able to work out the gradient of a graph showing at distance x and x+Δx I would be able to show in percentage the decrease of the effect of the gravitational field of the mass (being a planet) on space and time in terms of an object exiting the surface of the planet into space until it is no longer affected (that is my plan) but i need someone to explain how the m^3 kg^-1 s^-2 works? - How do i represent that as my final answer? and can the index number (+ decimal) be different? as in, is that number relative to earth? or the actual number? - I think its relative to a group that actually researched the number to x number of decimal places :$ -

Please help with the notation, thank you ever so much readers and physics guys :D much respect :)
 
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This is just the units that they've quoted the gravitational constant in. In particular, these are SI units where lengths are in meters, masses in kilograms, and times in seconds. If you use these units, the formula for schwarzschild radius gives an answer back in meters.
 
hi eggman100!:smile:

G comes from Newton's law of gravitation …

acceleration = GM/r2,​

where M is the mass (of the star, etc) and R is the distance

acceleration has dimensions of distance/time2 (L/T2),

so the units (of measurement) of that equation are

L/T2 = G times M/L2

so G must have dimensions of L3/MT2,

so in SI units, G is measured in m3/kg.s2 :smile:

(and GM/c2 has dimensions of (L3/MT2)M/(L/T)2, = L = distance)
 
Thank you, but i still don't understand, so how would i use this to work out the schwarzschild radius of the earth? I know its around 9millimeters, but so what it is:

2xGx(6x10^24)
-------------- (mass being rounded and c^2 being rounded)
300,000^2

What would i put in place of G? - and so you mean that in terms of the schwarzschild radius, what does it mean? - so your saying that with an increase of one meter from the mass (surface of planet) then your saying, per one second, per one meter, there is a change of X kilograms? and going over a scale of time (seconds) ??
 
and i understand the m^3- but how would you change your answer according to kg x s^2? - Can someone please give me an example I can understand? something like Earth please? but I still thank you guys for your help :D - but a little more help would be much more appreciated :D
 
hi eggman100! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
eggman100 said:
… so how would i use this to work out the schwarzschild radius of the earth? I know its around 9millimeters, but so what it is:

2xGx(6x1024)
-------------- (mass being rounded and c2 being rounded)
300,0002

you have to substitute 6.67300 × 10-11 for G in that equation,

and that gives you the schwarzschild radius, R, in metres :wink:

if the mass of the Earth was twice as large, then R would be twice as large

(btw, in Newton's law, the distance is measured from the centre of the body, not from the surface)

if the Earth somehow shrunk (keeping the same mass) to less than R, then it would be a black hole
 
Don't let the units confuse you, in place of G just use 6.67*10^-11
Also your value for c^2 is wrong, it should be 300,000,000^2 = (3*10^8)^2 = 9*10^16
 

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