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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for textbooks related to satellite navigation, specifically focusing on orbital mechanics, celestial mechanics, and programming examples in MATLAB or Maple. Participants express interest in both classical and relativistic treatments of the subject, as well as the mathematical sophistication required for graduate-level understanding.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a comprehensive textbook on celestial and artificial satellite mechanics, emphasizing the need for advanced treatment beyond introductory materials.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the initial request, noting a distinction between satellite navigation (like GPS) and orbital motion.
  • Some participants mention specific textbooks, such as "Fundamentals of Astrodynamics" by Bate, Mueller, and White, highlighting its affordability and practical approach.
  • Others suggest "Fundamentals of Astrodynamics and Applications" by David Vallado, noting its thoroughness but higher cost compared to other texts.
  • One participant mentions that courses on satellite motion exist at universities, indicating that class notes may be valuable resources for learning.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of celestial dynamics in light of general relativity, with differing opinions on the subject's vitality.
  • A participant shares their experience with MATLAB and suggests looking into numerical integration methods for simulating orbits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best resources or the current state of celestial dynamics. There are multiple competing views regarding the relevance of celestial mechanics and the adequacy of available textbooks.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of existing textbooks and the challenge of finding mathematically sophisticated treatments of satellite motion. There is also mention of unresolved preferences for programming tools and methods for orbit simulation.

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Hey guys, looking to get some advice on satellite navigation. Can anyone recommend a nice textbook covering Newton, Kepler, Lagrange etc and their contributions to orbital motion. Also any textbooks on MATLAB or Maple examples of orbits - relativistic or Newtonian it doesn't matter. Not put off with Tensor's or any differential geometry so graduate level would be ideal.
 
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I'm going to guess that you haven't received any responses yet because your question is a bit confusing. When I see "Satellite Navigation" I think "GPS", but then you talk about orbital motion, which doesn't seem to have much to do with that. Can you clarify? I don't think I'd be much more help than google, so I'll also just ask: have you looked for an introductory Newtonian physics textbook? Or an astronomy textbook?
 
russ_watters said:
I'm going to guess that you haven't received any responses yet because your question is a bit confusing. When I see "Satellite Navigation" I think "GPS", but then you talk about orbital motion, which doesn't seem to have much to do with that. Can you clarify? I don't think I'd be much more help than google, so I'll also just ask: have you looked for an introductory Newtonian physics textbook? Or an astronomy textbook?
Thanks for the reply. I agree it is confusing. The end result is definitely to understand satellite motion ie the GPS and the relativistic effects. However, what I was after was a book that dealt solely with celestial/artificial satellites mechanics and presented the entire subject. I've taken plenty of Mechanics classes etc so I'm not after an introductory mechanics book. I want a book that goes beyond the simple central force problem and also attempts some programming of the results. Celestial mechanics is obviously a dying subject due to people being more interested in curved space times and the deepest secrets of black holes but it is extremely important for people trying to understand satellite motion and it's hard to find a proper treatment of the subject that is mathematically sophisticated. The books I've found are terrible to say the least. Anyways all help is appreciated.
 
Colorado -Boulder has at least two courses devoted to satellite motion. Many other schools courses with titles such as: Orbital dynamics, or satellite orbit determination. I think for example George Born has a textbook on it. Or maybe you can look at class notes for such courses. I have friends that took courses and are currently expert in satellite orbit determination, and if as you say the books are terrible, perhaps they did learn from class notes. I cannot say.
The books that treat satellite orbit determination are heavy on optimal estimation, least squares and kalman filtering. This is unavoidable.

The subject is very broad.

I do not think celestial dynamics is dead, just because we have the general theory of relativity. I believe (although I have not looked myself) that you can find recent journal articles in celestial mechanics without reference to curved space time.
 
If you want a good, practical, yet remarkably inexpensive book on the topic, pick up a copy of Fundamentals of Astrodynamics by Bate, Mueller and White. It's a softcover priced around $17.00. It covers the classical theory and methods.
 
gneill said:
If you want a good, practical, yet remarkably inexpensive book on the topic, pick up a copy of Fundamentals of Astrodynamics by Bate, Mueller and White. It's a softcover priced around $17.00. It covers the classical theory and methods.
And if you want a very good (not great), extremely practical, but definitely more expensive (in some cases, a whole lot more expensive) pick up a copy of Fundamentals of Astrodynamics and Applications by David Vallado et al. The softcover price for the third edition is well over $200 (used). The fourth edition is much more affordable, only $77 or so (new). Vallado is a much better and much more thorough reference than is Bate, Mueller and White. But you pay the price.
 
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That's great, thank you I'll check if the university has them. Would you know which direction to point me if I wanted to consider particle orbits using Keplers laws and then a comparison for Schwarzschild geometry using MATLAB?
 
Matter_Matters said:
That's great, thank you I'll check if the university has them. Would you know which direction to point me if I wanted to consider particle orbits using Keplers laws and then a comparison for Schwarzschild geometry using MATLAB?
Amazon will have the BMW book.

I'm not terribly familiar with MATLAB myself; I tend to use MathCAD when tinkering. But it seems to me that you'll want to search for information regarding solving differential equations, and in particular, numerical integration methods. There are numerous integrators that can be used to integrate orbits. You may find that MATLAB has a built-in library of suitable functions. Look at the literature to see what's what.

In the past I've implemented simple Verlet integrators for orbit simulations, and an RKF7 (Runge-Kutta-Fehlberg) for precision work simulating a spacecraft gravity assist maneuver. I've done these using MathCAD, a basic programming language, and even Excel macros.
 
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