Need help with understanding this solution (fluid pressure problem)

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The discussion revolves around understanding a fluid pressure problem, specifically focusing on the pressure at point B in a system involving oil and water. Participants explore the reasoning behind pressure measurements and the sign conventions used in the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the pressure due to water is considered negative while the pressure due to oil is positive, and why measurements are taken from the oil-water interface.
  • Another participant explains that measurements are made from the oil-water interface to find the difference between atmospheric pressure and the pressure at point B, noting that going down contributes a positive change in pressure while going up contributes a negative change.
  • A different participant describes a method of visualizing the problem by considering the path from atmospheric pressure to point B, detailing the calculations for hydrostatic pressure changes as one moves through the oil and water.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification received and indicates a desire to remember the method discussed for future problems.
  • A participant suggests that the arrangement can be likened to a U-shaped manometer, referencing an external resource for further understanding.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the sign conventions and measurement points, indicating that multiple views and some confusion remain in the discussion.

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There are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the pressure calculations and the definitions of absolute versus gauge pressure, which may affect the interpretations of the problem.

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I dont fully understand the solution
So here’s the question (I am only talking about the pressure at point B, the other 2 I can understand.)
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And here is the solution
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Here is what I am not understanding, why is the pressure due to the water negative and the oil positive, and why are all measurements only made from where the oil meets the water?

i must be missing something really obvious
 
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bigmike94 said:
why are all measurements only made from where the oil meets the water?
Because that's how we find the difference between ##p_{atm}## and ##p_B##
Going down contributes a positive ##\Delta p## and up a negative ##\Delta p##.

One can just as well take the bottom as the turning point: the ##\Delta p## of the extra 1.25 m down is cancelled by ##\Delta p## going up the same 1.25 m

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BvU said:
Because that's how we find the difference between ##p_{atm}## and ##p_B##
Going down contributes a positive ##\Delta p## and up a negative ##\Delta p##.

One can just as well take the bottom as the turning point: the ##\Delta p## of the extra 1.25 m down is cancelled by ##\Delta p## going up the same 1.25 m

##\ ##
Thank you that helped a lot. I attempt the problems quite a bit after I learnt about that method of finding the pressure. Hopefully I’ll remember it 😃
 
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I think of the problem as moving along a path from the external reference surface to the destination, at point B.
1. Start at the surface with atmospheric pressure. Specify absolute or gauge pressure for the reference.
2. Compute the increasing hydrostatic pressure as you move down through the oil, to the oil-water interface surface.
3. Compute the reducing hydrostatic pressure as you move up through the oil to the destination at point B, on the water-air interface.
 
bigmike94 said:
Here is what I am not understanding, why is the pressure due to the water negative and the oil positive, and why are all measurements only made from where the oil meets the water?

i must be missing something really obvious

This arrangement can be calculated like a U-shaped manometer, if you can imagine the bend located just underneath the central partition.

Please, see:
https://pressbooks.online.ucf.edu/osuniversityphysics/chapter/14-2-measuring-pressure/
 

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