Negative Poisson's Ratio in Rotated Orthotropic Material

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of negative Poisson's ratios observed in rotated orthotropic materials, specifically in the context of a single crystal metal. Participants explore the physical and mathematical implications of this behavior when transforming material properties relative to an XYZ coordinate system, particularly during rotations of approximately 40 to 50 degrees.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • jester117 notes that certain rotations of the compliance matrix result in positive S12, S13, or S23 components, suggesting negative Poisson's ratios, which is unexpected for the material being simulated.
  • jester117 confirms the correctness of the stiffness-compliance matrix inversion and the simulation methods used, expressing confidence in the results obtained.
  • In a follow-up, jester117 identifies an issue with the rotation of the 6x6 stiffness matrix and corrects the rotation function, which resolves the negative Poisson's ratio issue but introduces a new problem.
  • jester117 remains uncertain about the results from the efunda plane stress site leading to a negative Poisson's ratio, indicating a lack of clarity on this aspect.
  • Another participant requests further information or clarification from jester117, indicating a desire for more engagement on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects uncertainty and unresolved questions regarding the negative Poisson's ratio phenomenon, with no consensus reached on the implications of the findings or the results from external sources.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations related to the transformation of the 6x6 stiffness matrix and the dependence on the correctness of the rotation function, which may affect the interpretation of results.

jester117
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Hi all,

I'm looking for physical and mathematical explanations for a phenomenon I've noticed when working with rotated material properties relative to an XYZ coordinate system. For certain rotations (~40 to ~50 degrees) about a single axis the S12, S13, or S23 components of the compliance matrix become positive, which implies that the corresponding Poisson's ratios are negative. The material I'm trying to simulate is a single crystal metal, so I wouldn't expect a negative Poisson's ratio.

I'm able to simulate this result across multiple methods for basis transformation, so I doubt there's an error there. I've also been able to confirm that the stiffness-compliance matrix inversion is correct.

If you'd like to simulate the problem, you can use this site: <http://www.efunda.com/formulae/solid_mechanics/composites/calc_ufrp_cs_arbitrary.cfm>. I used Msi units, both Young's moduli = 18, shear modulus = 18, Poisson's ratio = 0.38, and theta = 45.

Of relevance:
The form of the compliance matrix used, http://www.efunda.com/formulae/solid_mechanics/mat_mechanics/hooke_orthotropic.cfm
Relevant articles,
http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/3.4974
http://appliedmechanics.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/article.aspx?articleid=1415488

Thanks for looking into this,

jester117
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
Thank you for the nudge, haha. I do have additional information.

The problem I was having was concerned with the rotation of a 6x6 stiffness matrix for 3D stress-strain vectors. The coordinate transformation through Euler angles and the corresponding DCM generated were both correct (i.e., rotating the 3x3 coordinate system matrix was correct). However, the problem was with rotating the 6x6 matrix into the new coordinate system. I changed the rotation function to follow the structure given here in chapter 6.7 of the following link:

http://www.ae.iikgp.ernet.in/ebooks/

The problem with the negative Poisson's ration disappeared, although a new one popped up in it's place. For this problem, I think I'll post a new thread since it's only tangentially related. I'll post another reply with the link to the new thread for anyone interested.

I still can't explain why the efunda plane stress site I linked in my original post leads to a negative Poisson's ratio.

Thanks,

jester117
 
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