Neglecting High-Order Terms in R: Tips & Tricks

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the notation and clarity in expressing the neglect of high-order terms in mathematical expressions, specifically in the context of asymptotic analysis involving the variable R. Participants explore different ways to articulate the concept of neglecting terms of a certain order and the implications of using various notations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a clearer way to express the neglect of terms of order O(R^{-Y}) where Y>1.
  • Another participant provides external resources on order notation and questions whether Y can be less than 0, suggesting that if Y is not less than 0, only zero and first-order terms are accepted, which they equate to an O(1) approximation.
  • A different participant agrees with the previous point and suggests that using little 'o' notation, specifically 'terms of order o(R^{-1}) are neglected', is a valid alternative.
  • Another participant proposes that it may be simpler to express the accepted orders directly, noting that since Y>1 was specified, Y=1 (order -1) is implicitly accepted, leading to the acceptance of terms in (1/R) to first order.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying preferences for notation and clarity, with some agreeing on the equivalence of different notations while others raise questions about the implications of the chosen terms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to articulate the neglect of high-order terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of using different notations or the conditions under which certain terms are accepted or neglected.

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Hi,

Is there a better way to write this?

'terms of order O(R^{-Y}) where Y>1 are neglected'

I feel like this is a bit clumsy.

Thanks for the help!
 
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Yeah that's correct, if I am understanding little 'o' notation correctly I believe it's equivalent to write:

'terms of order o(R^{-1}) are neglected'
 
It is simpler to write it in terms of what orders you will accept.
Note, you wanted Y>1, so Y=1 (order -1) was accepted.

Take terms in (1/R) to 1st order.
 

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