Neutron's crow flight distance & 2° moment of a distribution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of crow flight distance in the context of neutron absorption and its relationship to the second moment of a probability distribution. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these terms, particularly in relation to the equations presented in a nuclear engineering textbook.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the definition of crow flight distance and its connection to the second moment of a probability distribution, represented by the equation $$\bar r^2 = \int r^2 p(r)dr$$.
  • Another participant questions the assertion that $$r^2$$ represents the crow flight distance, suggesting that it is derived from the "fermi age" theory as discussed in the Lamarsh book.
  • A participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the notation, clarifying that $$\bar r$$ should denote the crow flight distance, while expressing confusion over the use of $$\bar {r^2}$$.
  • One participant explains that Lamarsh's formula for the second moment of the distribution function relates to an expression for τ, noting the distinction between $$\bar{r}^2$$ and $$\bar{r^2}$$.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about the potential deeper meaning behind the use of the second moment in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some disagreement regarding the interpretation of crow flight distance and its mathematical representation. There is no consensus on the implications of the second moment or its deeper meaning.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of crow flight distance and the second moment, as well as the specific context of the equations referenced from the Lamarsh book.

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Hi, I'm looking for a simple explanation of the meaning of the crow flight distance and why it is defined as the second moment of a probability distribution:
$$\bar r^2 = \int r^2 p(r)dr$$
Where ##p(r)## is the probability that a neutron is absorbed in the interval ##dr## near ##r##. And what exactly is the meaning of the second moment of a probability distribution ?

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Ric
 
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I don't think r^2 is the "crow flight distance".

Are you referring to the older Lamarsh book? (This is the only nuclear engineering book that I know of that has crow flight distance).
He talks about the crow flight distance, but he uses r^2 because it is a quantity that is part of the "fermi age" theory.
 
Yes, I realized later that ##\bar r## should be the crow flight distance and not ##\bar {r^2}##, but I still do not understand why he uses ##\bar {r^2}##. In fact ##\sqrt{ \bar {r^2}} \neq \bar r##

PS: yes, I'm reading Lamarsh book
 
I believe Lamarsh was using the formula (Equation 6-105) for the second moment of the distribution function, p(r), to obtain an expression in terms of τ, so that one would see that τ is equal to ##\frac{1}{6}\bar{r^2}##.

It's been about 40 years since I had to work those equations, and I think we had to show that ##\bar{r}^2 \neq \bar{r^2}##, the former being the square of the first moment of the distribution function.

$$\bar{r^2} = \int r^2 p(r)dr$$ and $$\bar r^2 = {\Big(\int r p(r)dr\Big)}^2$$
 
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Astronuc said:
I believe Lamarsh was using the formula (Equation 6-105) for the second moment of the distribution function, p(r), to obtain an expression in terms of τ, so that one would see that τ is equal to 16¯r216r2¯\frac{1}{6}\bar{r^2}.
Yes, but I thought that maybe it could have a deeper meaning...
 

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