New User of Xfoil: Adjusting Measured Cp for Data Match

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the challenges faced by a new user of Xfoil in reconciling measured pressure coefficient (Cp) data from wind tunnel experiments with simulation data generated by Xfoil. Participants explore potential corrections to the measured Cp to achieve a better match with the simulation results, addressing both experimental and computational aspects.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption that the measured Cp is incorrect, suggesting that Xfoil may not be perfect due to its nature as an inviscid panel code with possible viscous corrections.
  • Another participant notes that some reports show good agreement between measured and simulated data after applying corrections, but lacks detailed explanations of those corrections.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for more information regarding the experimental setup, including details about the wind tunnel and measurement techniques, to provide better assistance.
  • A participant suggests that corrections for tunnel wall effects and blockage effects may be necessary to adjust the measured Cp, indicating that the dynamic pressure experienced by the model may differ from what is measured upstream.
  • It is mentioned that the discrepancy between the measured data and Xfoil results may not solely be attributed to blockage effects, implying that either the experimental setup or Xfoil could be at fault.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the source of discrepancies between measured and simulated data, with some attributing it to experimental errors and others suggesting limitations of Xfoil. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the corrections needed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the experimental setup and the specific corrections applied to measured data, but do not provide a consensus on the necessary steps or corrections to achieve alignment with Xfoil results.

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i'm a new user of xfoil. I make measurements (Cp) in wind tunnel. But my measured data don't match with the data of xfoil. I use xfoil like my reference.

Which correction can i bring to my measured Cp so that measured and simualation data match together?

Cp = pressure coefficient

thanks

MJ
 
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Why do you think that your measures Cp is wrong? It may be that xfoil is not perfect, after all, it is an inviscid panel code with various viscous corrections that can be implemented.

Otherwise it's hard to say much without knowing more about your experiments.
 


some reports compare their measured data with simulation data, and they match very well. But before comparaison they brought some correction of their measured data. The problem is that they don't explain very well what they did.
That is why i'searching now for a very example where almost everything is explain. May be someone can help me here.

thx
 


Again, the problem isn't necessarily experimental. It very well may be, but no one can help you unless you explain your experimental setup a little bit. For example, details of the wind tunnel, te model, your measurement techniques, etc.
 


My wind tunnel has following measure: L= 123 cm, b=61cm, H=31cm.
in the attachment the blue curvature ist from xfoil and the red curvature is from my measurement. There is an offset between the both curvature, i don't know why. I read in book that to match them i need to correct my measured data. But i don't how i can do that.

Please help me.

thx
 

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Assuming you have done nothing wrong with your experiment the correction you need to apply is due to tunnel wall effects. To correct the pressure coefficient you have to correct the dynamic pressure for blockage effects. When you place a model in a tunnel you reduce the effective area through which the air can flow and because mass must be conserved the air will speed up. A similar effect is caused by the wake of your model. You probably measure dynamic pressure upstream of your model so the dynamic pressure your model is experiencing is different from what you measure, therefore you have to correct for it. I will not go into how to do this because it would take to long but you should look at "Low Speed Wind Tunnel Testing" by Pope.

However after looking at your data I can tell you that your only problem is not the blockage effects I just explained, unless your model is really big relative to your tunnel in which case you shouldn't be using that model. The difference between your data and xfoil is too large for it to only be blockage effects. So you either did something wrong in your experiment or xfoil.
 

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