Newton universal gravitation formula, how f is dimensionally derived?

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The discussion revolves around the dimensional analysis of Newton's universal gravitation formula, specifically focusing on the force (F) and the gravitational constant (G). Participants explore how the dimensions of force relate to the dimensions of G and the other variables in the equation F = G*m1*m2/r^2.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of the time dimension (t^2) in the force equation, suggesting it may come from G but is uncertain about G's dimensions.
  • Another participant states that since acceleration has units of length per time squared (l/t^2), the units of force must be mass times length per time squared (m*l/t^2).
  • A participant references the dimensions of G as (N*m^2/kg^2) and attempts to derive the dimensions to confirm the dimensional correctness of the equation.
  • Some participants express confusion about how the dimensions cancel out to yield the dimensions of force, questioning if there is a misunderstanding or mistake in their reasoning.
  • One participant suggests that by determining the dimensions of G, it can be shown that F equals G*m1*m2, implying a relationship between the variables.
  • Another participant asserts that the equation F = G*m1*m2/r^2 is defined to be dimensionally correct, indicating that there is no need to check its correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and validity of checking the dimensional correctness of the gravitational equation. While some believe it is essential to analyze the dimensions, others argue that the equation is inherently defined to be correct.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources for the dimensions of G and force but do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of these dimensions or the implications for the equation.

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If f dimensions are ml/t^2, where does t^2 come from in the equation of
F = G*m1*m2/r^2 where I believe G to be a constant, m1 and m2 to be masses and r to be the distance between two masses - so length. To dimensionally analyse this then, where would the dimension time come from if I were to check if the equation is dimensionally correct and I can't see where it comes from? I do think that it may come from G but i have seen various answers on what the dimensions of G are so I can't cancel the dimensions out to check if it is the same as F? Help would be appreciated, many thanks.
 
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According to Newton

F=ma since acceleration has units l t-2 the units of force must be m Lt-2.

Using that you can figure out the units G needs to make the given equation dimensionally correct. Time is factored into the constant.
 
Integral said:
According to Newton

F=ma since acceleration has units l t-2 the units of force must be m Lt-2.

Using that you can figure out the units G needs to make the given equation dimensionally correct. Time is factored into the constant.

Hi thanks for the help however I focusing on F instead of G giving that G = N m^2 kg^-2 or what G is?
 
yeoG said:
It says N (m/kg)^2
so that in dimensions are m x l/t^2(N = Newton = kg x m/s^2??)l^2/M^2)(m/kg^2)
so that would mean F = m x l/t^2 l^2/m^2/l^2 how would this cancel out to F which is ml/t^2? Have I got this concept wrong or is there a mistake I am making?

Isolating, ## G= F ## ##
r^2 / (m_1 m_2 )##. You can tell right away the units of G.
 
ah I think I understand so by working out the dimensions of G you can show that F must equal to Gxm1xm2 because it will balance the equation to = F?
 
yeoG said:
so by working out the dimensions of G you can show that F must equal to Gxm1xm2
No. Observation shows that F equals Gxm1xm2/r^2. The dimension of G are defined based on this. So there is no point in checking if the equation is dimensionally correct, because it was defined to be correct.
 

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