Newtonian mechanics VS. variational principles

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The discussion contrasts two mechanical approaches to describe particle motion: variational principles, such as Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, and the Newtonian approach. Variational principles derive equations of motion from energy functions, while Newtonian mechanics establishes motion equations directly through forces. Participants note that Lagrangian and Newtonian dynamics are closely related, with Lagrangian mechanics accounting for internal forces. Hamiltonian dynamics is viewed as a more fundamental framework than the others. The conversation also touches on the perceived equivalence of Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics as both being variational principles.
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Basically, there are two mechanical approaches to describe a particle: (a) the variational principles (e.g., the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian ones) and (b) the Newtonian approach. The former approaches in principle deal with the determination of an equation of motion from a function of energy terms. In contrast to these methods, in the Newtonian approach the equation of motion \dot{\textbf{p}}=\textbf{F} of a particle is established directly, where \textbf{F} is the force on the particle and \dot{\textbf{p}} is the particle's change in momentum, also called resulting force. From this equation we can then derive several parameters, e.g., the energy terms of the particle.
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My understanding is that Lagrangian and Newtonian dynamics are very close to each other, Lagrangian just uses the fact that internal forces of the system don't affect the motion. Hamiltonian dynamics, based on the principle of variation, is something much more fundamental than the other two.
 
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Could you give a reference to a textbook? I thought that Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics are in principle the same and both are variational principles.
 
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