Newtons 3rd Law (Ropes, Pulley)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two masses connected by a string over a frictionless pulley, specifically focusing on the application of Newton's 3rd Law. Participants are tasked with determining the acceleration of the masses and the tension in the string.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the two masses and their acceleration, noting that the magnitudes will be the same but in opposite directions. There are attempts to set up equations based on free body diagrams, and some participants express confusion about the signs used for acceleration.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing dialogue about the correct setup of equations and the signs for acceleration. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting adjustments to the equations based on the direction of acceleration for each mass. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem without reaching a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the constraints of the problem, including the need to correctly identify the direction of acceleration for each mass, which is critical for solving the equations. There is an acknowledgment of previous errors in the setup that participants are working to correct.

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Homework Statement


A 2.5 kg mass is attached to a 3.5 kg mass by a light string that passes over a friction-less pulley. The masses are released.

a) What is the magnitude of the acceleration of the masses?
b) What is the tension in the string?

Homework Equations



(I think) Ft - mg = ma

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew 2 free body diagrams for both the weights and they both have Fg and Ft on the y.

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On this 6th line, starting with (2.5)(a)... I made it so that Ft2 = Ft2
My answer was suppose to be 6.54 m/s in the work I showed because the acceleration of the bigger weight will accelerate negatively. So ignore the minus sign for my answer to a =
I think I've done the best I could, but my answer is still wrong, not sure why.
 
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The magnitude of the acceleration will be the same, but in opposite directions.
 
lewando said:
The magnitude of the acceleration will be the same, but in opposite directions.

Yeah, I knew that, I should have included that too. I need actual with with the question though.
 
You have 2 equations, 2 unknowns (one needs fixing-- one of the masses should be accelerating upwards-- use "a", the other, downwards-- use "-a"). Solve for a.
 
lewando said:
You have 2 equations, 2 unknowns (one needs fixing-- one of the masses should be accelerating upwards-- use "a", the other, downwards-- use "-a"). Solve for a.

I've done some changes, but I am still getting it wrong...
 
Since the heavier one is accelerating downward, replace "a" in line 2 with "-a". Try again.
 
lewando said:
Since the heavier one is accelerating downward, replace "a" in line 2 with "-a". Try again.

Ohhhhhhh, thank youuuuuuuuuuuuu. I re-did my whole thing and now it works!
 

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