Newton's Law: block and incline

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to Newton's laws, specifically involving a block on an incline. Participants are analyzing forces such as friction and the effects of angles on calculations.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the correctness of their answers in relation to provided choices, questioning the impact of rounding errors and the direction of forces involved.

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Some participants have offered insights regarding potential errors in calculations and the significance of approximations in trigonometric values. There is ongoing exploration of the problem's setup and assumptions, with no explicit consensus reached.

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There are mentions of homework guidelines regarding the presentation of work, and some participants express difficulty in articulating mathematical expressions clearly. The discussion also touches on the use of specific angles and their implications for the problem.

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Fs= μs*N
ΣF=ma

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What is your question?

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Orodruin said:
What is your question?

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thanks,
but question is that my answer is not an exact of choice C. so is my answer right?
sorry but my skills are not good to write math formula
 
Hello.

I believe your final answer is correct. But it looks like you might have gotten lucky by having two compensating errors. Think about the direction of the friction force when the applied force is a minimum.
 
Fatima Hasan said:
but question is that my answer is not an exact of choice C. so is my answer right?
It is close enough to one of the answers to suspect that you (or the authors) have a rounding error somewhere.

Fatima Hasan said:
sorry but my skills are not good to write math formula
Really the formulas here are so simple that you should have no problem typing them out. If you click the Σ symbol you also have a choice of different useful symbols for writing maths. You do not need to use LaTeX for formulas that are this simple.
TSny said:
Hello.

I believe your final answer is correct. But it looks like you might have gotten lucky by having two compensating errors. Think about the direction of the friction force when the applied force is a minimum.
By writing ##F = mg \sin(\theta) + F_s##, you are essentially writing "forces to the right = forces to the left". It is kind of artificially taking care of the signs by specifying all forces as positive and then placing them on the appropriate side of the equation. If I did not enter it wrong in Matlab, 16.9 N is the correct rounding of the answer, not 16.8 N.
 
Fatima Hasan said:
thanks,
but question is that my answer is not an exact of choice C. so is my answer right?
Some instructors like to use 37o in problems since the cosine and sine of this angle are very close to 4/5 = 0.80 and 3/5 = 0.60, respectively. (A "3 -4 -5" right triangle will have its smaller interior angle close to 37o.)

So, the author of this problem might have intended you to use 0.80 and 0.60 for the cosine and sine. See if that gives you an answer of 16.8.

Edit: When I was a student ages ago, we didn't have calculators. So it was more common in those days to use these approximations when working with a 37o angle.
 
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Collecting all of your results symbolically, you would obtain
$$
F = [60~\mbox{N}] \sin(\theta) - 0.4\cdot [60~\mbox{N}] \cos(\theta).
$$
In comparison to the approximation mentioned by @TSny, ##\sin(37^\circ)## is slightly larger than ##3/5## and ##\cos(37^\circ)## is slightly smaller than 4/5. This indeed accounts for the difference.

Textbook authors should know better than to use more decimals than their precision allows.
 
Orodruin said:
Textbook authors should know better than to use more decimals than their precision allows.
Yes.
 
So let me correct this:
Orodruin said:
It is close enough to one of the answers to suspect that you (or the authors) have a rounding error somewhere.
:rolleyes:
 

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