What does 'k' in Newton's law of cooling represent?

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The discussion revolves around the meaning and implications of the constant 'k' in Newton's law of cooling, exploring its relationship to various physical properties and the underlying mechanisms of heat transfer. Participants examine theoretical and practical aspects of the law, including its application in different contexts such as conduction, convection, and radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that 'k' encompasses various factors related to the setup, including heat capacity, thermal conductivity, surface areas, and geometry.
  • One participant compares Newton's law of cooling to Coulomb's law of friction, describing both as effective predictive tools that do not delve into the underlying mechanisms of the phenomena they describe.
  • Another participant notes that there is no derivation of Newton's law of cooling from fundamental principles of non-equilibrium statistical mechanics, indicating that 'k' is merely a constant with dimensions of 1/time.
  • A later reply challenges the generality of the OP's statement, arguing that unpacking heat transfer into its components reveals complexities, particularly in convection, which is not easily related to fundamental physics.
  • It is mentioned that the heat transfer coefficient 'h' in convective heat transfer is not constant and can be modeled using semi-empirical functions of various non-dimensional fluid flow parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and implications of 'k', with no consensus reached regarding its specific meaning or relationship to other physical properties. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the predictive utility of Newton's law of cooling when considering the complexities of heat transfer mechanisms, particularly in convection, and the lack of a fundamental derivation from statistical mechanics.

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Newton's law of cooling says:

Instantaneous rate of cooling = -k (Original temperature - Final temperature)

But what does this 'k' mean?

I know it depends on the nature of the surface; but what property does it correspond to?

Is 'k' related to specific heat capacity?
Does higher specific heat capacity mean higher k?

Please quote the source when you answer.
 
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k includes everything about the setup, including heat capacity, thermal conductivity of materials, surface areas, the geometry and probably some things I did not think about.
 
You ought to think of Newton's law of cooling in the same way as with Coulomb's law of friction:
They are both "hodge-podge" laws on the theoretical level in that they do not bother about the distinct mechanisms behind the overall complex phenomenon, but are nonetheless highly effective in predicting a variety of outcomes. Thus, they are archetypes on what constitute intelligent "engineering", rather than being helpful to probe the deeper secrets of the universe.
 
To my (albeit modest) knowledge there's no derivation of Newton's law of cooling from the fundamental principles of non-equilibrium statistical mechanics, so that the "k" there is just a constant with dimensions of 1/time.
 
dextercioby said:
To my (albeit modest) knowledge there's no derivation of Newton's law of cooling from the fundamental principles of non-equilibrium statistical mechanics, so that the "k" there is just a constant with dimensions of 1/time.

The OP's statement of Newton's Law is too general to be of much predictive use. If you unpack the heat transfer into conduction, convection, and radiation, then conduction and radiation are fairly easy to relate to the underlying phyiscs, but convection is not.

I think "Newton's law of cooling" usually refers to the convective part, in the form ##\dot Q = h A \Delta T## where you might hope that the heat transfer coefficient ##h## was related to the underlying physics. In practice, ##h## is not a constant but can be modeled fairly well by (semi-empirical) functions of assorted non-dimensional fluid flow parameters, like the Reynolds, Prandtl, Grasshof, Rayleigh, etc, etc, numbers.

But given the current (lack of) understanding on how the Navier Stokes equations relate to the underlying physics, I'm not holding my breath waiting for an answer "real soon now".
 

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